You make me laugh reading your crap. They hate us. lol WHO CARES .lololol. They-Are-jealous.

If you think America is so bad and we are hated then you can always drive north and hate us from Canada.

The best part about being from America is you can always leave. Don't let the door hit in the arrrrs on the out.

Did you know we are still occupying Germany and Japan and that war was over in 1945??? Wake up. America may never win another war with sissies like you. I'll do my best to make sure your protected. Thats the kind on person I am. I try to protect the weeker less agresive persons like yourself. So have no fear what the big bad Euros say about us. In the end they need us more than we need them. The Brits are the only ones there with any *****.!!![/quote]

As you've reduced your posts to personal insults, answers when you have no answers, I'll leave you to your blind patriotism.

 

georged - I am still waiting for my list from you....let me see your sources.....

 

Lets start with this one:

http://fms.treas.gov/fr/06frusg/06frusg.pdf

That's the 2006 US financial report. Like any company in the private sector, the US government is required by law (thank our founders) to report our annual financial condition.

If you not familiar with financial statements and their footnotes, here's gold bug link that expresses a candid analysis of that statement, complete with appropriate sarcasm.

http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1166544060.php

After you digest that, we can discuss why it wasn't a top story in mainstream media. Then we can determine why mainstream media, unconcerned with US economic circumstances beyond making advertiser customers feel warm and fuzzy with official, cooked economic reports, would avoid such a basic report. From there I'll take you into a discussion of how our government and economy is solely reliant on petrodollars, US debt purchased by other nations to exchange for oil and trade, the only currency allowed for oil and US trade by treaty, backed up by a US military force second to none. If you get that far, I'll list some sites that delve into how long the US can continue to facilitate our economic expansion based on debt and printing money with nothing behind it but a dominating military and now two equity bubbles (real estate now in serious decline, the question being what's next) to support ourselves.

By then, I'd think you'll understand that mainstream media is concerned with keeping advertiser customers feeling warm and fuzzy to buy products, achieved by avoiding unpleasant news that could disturb consumer confidence and consequently reduce their bottom line. Mainstream media historically had liberal viewpoints, but private ownership, those who formerly published their liberal views, generally critical of self-serving government, is all but gone. It's now big business all the way with a focus on only profits. Bad news, especially reality, doesn't enrich advertisers dependent on consumers who pay the bills.

 

georgy you are finally "right" about something. I am a patriot. There is no name calling just questions you did not answer. Are you American? Euro? No disrespect from me. These are valid questions. Jousting with you has been meek at best. Like always your kind always redirects the truth. So thank you leaving me to my patriotism. IT FEELS GOOD IT TASTES GOOD! USA USA USA USA. lololool, We are the greatest nation ever contrived. Don't hate us for it.

I too would like to see where you read this crap. A little light on those sites would cure there poison.

 

I found this link in digg.com......national debt for dummies

copy and paste

http://www.duggmirror.com/political_...national_debt/

CLICK


The web page updates every second and adds about $50,000 to the total

These sites often get jammed after a few minutes on digg so I'll paste what I can

discussion on the topic is

HERE

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Note after roughly a decade of operating for the benefit of U.S. citizens that supported the principles of United We Stand America, this site will close in less than 30 days. It was principally operated by one person, Bill Selmeier, (uw-bill.com) and although the times have changed, the issues unfortunately have not changed that much. But, other sites have adopted some of the viewpoints and I no longer can devote the time and other resources necessary to keep this site vital. I sincerely appreciate all the participation, interest and input that has come to me over the years. Thank you and good bye.

Your U.S. National Debt up to the minute estimate based on data from the US Treasury and US Census Bureau information.
Estimated National Debt Right NOW! $8,688,681,115,455.15

Share of National Debt For Each US Citizen!
National Debt Share for Breadwinner(s) in Family of 2 $28,863.78
National Debt Share for Breadwinner(s) in Family of 3 $57,727.56
National Debt Share for Breadwinner(s) in Family of 4 $86,591.35
National Debt Share for Breadwinner(s) in Family of 5 $115,455.15
National Debt Share for Breadwinner(s) in Family of 6 $115,455.15

These figures are straight from the US Treasury presentation on the Web. It looks like it is going up and out of control.

End of Month amount of US Government National Debt from January 1993 to recently Even if you don't feel personally responsible for your share of this debt obligation, the immediate impact on you of this much debt is interest payments from your taxes. As long as there is debt there will be interest payments! Even if the Deficit is minus (we are then reducing the debt and running a surplus), there will be interest payments on the remaining debt. This is money that is not going to social services, education, defense, etc.

The graph on the left (click to enlarge into a separate browser window) shows the end of the month level of the US Federal National Debt since the start of 1993. It continues its inexorable climb despite assertions that there were surpluses. If there was a surplus, would the debt not be reduced?

So, there really hasn't been a budget surplus!
Has it gone down?
Really, there haven't been any surpluses!

This is what the DEBT has cost you this Federal Fiscal (Since October 1) Year! Have you put aside your share for today? This money must be paid out monthly over the year in interest just because we have the debt!
This Fiscal Year to Date"Estimated" FY 2004 FY 2003
FFY* Interest Payments on the US National Debt $179,286,980,205.97 $321,566,323,971.29 $318,148,529,151.51
FFY* Interest Payments per US Citizen $595.58 $1,068.22 $1,056.87
FFY* Interest Payments for Wage Earner(s) in family of 2 $1,191.16 $2,136.44 $2,113.74
FFY* Interest Payments for Wage Earner(s) in family of 3 $1,786.74 $3,204.67 $3,170.61
FFY* Interest Payments for Wage Earner(s) in family of 4 $2,382.32 $4,272.89 $4,227.47
FFY* Interest Payments for Wage Earner(s) in family of 5 $2,977.90 $5,341.11 $5,284.34
FFY* Interest Payments for Wage Earner(s) in family of 6 $3,573.48 $6,341.21 $6,409.33
Note: *FFY is the Federal Fiscal Year (October to September)
This chart shows how financial assets, liabilities have changed over the past six years. Now superimpose the Gross Domestic Product on these charts. It's like saying to a family if you have that much income, does this much debt bother you. This is a question we all answer differently.

U. S Financial Position last 6 yearsSo where does this leave us? Owing a lot of money which the lenders believe will be repayed to them or presumably they would not have lent it in the first place.

Since the Government's Financial Net Worth (negative block) is its Financial assets (little blip) minus its Financial obligations (dark red bar), the Net Worth (hanging block) of the US Government is very much in the negative and has only modestly improved. The fourth bar is the Gross Domestic Product. The fifth bar is the trade balance. We've put these five commonly discussed annual figures on a single chart to illustrate their relative magnitude. Click on the image on the right for a full size graph showing the big monatary picture for the last six years. Including the US Gross Domestic Product on the Graph serves two purposes: to show that in an era of rising prosperity, little was done to improve the US debt situation and secondly to show the debt in relation to the country's economic income.

Here are the government sources of our information:
The US Treasury Bureau of Public Debt is used to calibrate the existing debt each day. Figures from the US Treasury, provide the interest dollars used in the above calculations. And of course we obtain our population figures from the US Census Bureau'sestimates The government's financial position comes from the US Treasury's FMS System. The economic GDP data is from the Bureau of Economic Analysis at the Department of Commerce.

You can get more information at J. C. Adamson's Muser web page.

Note: This page is updated using a javascript program. If you do not have javascript enabled in your browser, you will not be able to see what the debt is doing to you right now!

If you have any questions or problems with this page contact the Webmaster, Bill Selmeier
Text or images updated 11/9/2004, numbers data updated each business day.

 

The reason liberal isnt a good word anymore is the same reason escalation(surge) isnt a good word anymore. The other side gets out the orwelian dictionary and desides to reframe the meaning of words. Also, nobody wants to be typecast, we all want to be individuals, and thats tough when you have this all encompassing word stamped on you. I dont march lockstep with anyone elses ideas. Im a grown man and can and will think for myself. Im also able to articulate my position...i dont need to be branded with an undesireable label. Believe me, I'm as disgusted with the dems as much as i am with the repubs. Bush cant destroy america without the dems allowing it. The dems also voted for the taking away of individual rights and promoting corporate rights.

 

I gotta hand it to you, I wish i was as articlate and on target as you are.

 

Wow with all those reality numbers I just want to fold up and tell everyone I'm done. I cant understand what you have against the military.
Why cant you be proud of what they do for you? If not for them we surley would have been hit again.

I 've enjoyed this little chat but now its time to let my side fade. You all have a great week. Glamis time. YEEE Haw

 

Where do you get the feeling i dont like the military? Im a vet, and proud of it. I defended this country, and it was probably before you were born. I took an oath to defend the constitution, and i havent turned my back on it. Im willing to bet you arent a vet, but you sure are anxious to send them off to war. Youre probably just like bush and cheney..either a dodger or awol.
Why do you feel the need to distort what others say, to fit your adjenda?
Being former military, Im well aware that our troops have no freedom of speech while on active duty..which makes it even more important that they have a voice, in me.
Lets get something straight, Im pro military, anti administration. And yes, its posible to be both.


Then theres your other snide remark If not for them we surley would have been hit again. You say it as if it were a fact, its not. Its called an opinion, and a wrong one at that. Just because event A happens, and then event B doesnt happen...that isnt cause and effect. Its an opinion, which isnt borne out in the facts. I could just as easily and correctly say, that we havent been under attack because my daughter turned 15. Its as true as your statement, and just as misleading.

 

For those who think we have a liberal media...
Heres an short article from one of the leading liberals..and it didnt make the news...yet all the republican talking points seem to find there way into the news. If the media is liberal...why does it only promote the conservative adjenda?

Kucinich: State of the Union is war and neglect
Submitted by Press Secretary on Wed, 2007-01-24 02:14. Articles
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Congressman and Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich called President Bush's State of the Union address a series of unfulfilled promises.
"President Bush is using a broad brush to colorfully portray the State of this Union as bright and optimistic while thousands of our service men and women are dying in the President's misadventure in Iraq. The true state of this union is war and the neglect of an urban agenda," Kucinich said.
"The truth is the President's domestic agenda is being swept aside as the Administration focuses solely on escalating the war. We must focus on America's most basic needs: decent housing, healthcare for all, quality education, securing good paying jobs and providing retirement security," said Kucinich. "Our whole domestic agenda is being sacrificed to pay for this war."

Iraq

"The President knows his Iraq plan is failing. The American people, Democrats and even Republicans know the President's plan to send an additional 21,500 troops to Iraq is the wrong direction. The President refuses to admit that he has failed in Iraq.
"The President is giving us more war, while we need a new direction-and that direction is out of Iraq. It's time to end the occupation, to withdraw our troops, to close the bases and work with the international community on an international peace plan. I have introduced a 12-point plan to the Congress to close military bases and bring our troops home.
"President Bush is continuing down the road toward a failed policy in Iraq. It is imperative that Congress step up to its constitutional responsibility to restrain this abuse of executive authority by notifying the President that we will no longer agree to fund the war in Iraq. Members simply cannot say they oppose the war and vote to continue to fund it.
"The supplemental budget request of up to $100 billion, which is due to be voted on this spring, would enable the President to continue the war against Iraq through the end of his term. It would also give him the resources to attack Iran, in the name of defending Iraq and the region.
"Congress needs to challenge the position of the President and take the necessary steps to bring our troops home. We need to begin talks with Iran and Syria -- and not blame them for our misguided war in Iraq. Diplomacy is the only way to avoid a widening war. If we follow the President's path of war, we will get more war.

Health Care

"The President is off the mark with his health care reform plan, proposing a new tax deduction for purchasing health insurance. The President should not be looking to the tax code to fix the lack of affordable health care. Both employers and labor unions oppose the President's health care plan.
"This proposal would impose a new tax on the middle class and turn the employment-based health insurance system into chaos. It will not help the uninsured buy health insurance: the people who don't buy health insurance usually cannot afford to do so and they therefore won't benefit from a deduction.
"This week, along with Congressman John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI), I plan to introduce a real plan for health care for all Americans. This bill was envisioned by America's doctors and nurses on the front lines of our nation's health care crisis-not by business interests or politicians. My proposal will provide health care coverage for every American. It would provide coverage for all medically necessary procedures including dental care, mental health care, long-term care and prescription drug coverage. There would be no co-pays, no premiums and no deductibles.

Energy

"While the President's belated acknowledgement of the need for action on global warming is welcome, his proposals fall far short of what is needed. The best science tells us that we need to reduce global warming pollution by 80% by 2050. The President's proposal merely changes the way we calculate the efficiency of cars and to make gas burn slightly cleaner. Addressing global warming will take more than token subsidies and spin.
"Like most environmental problems, the effects of global warming will be disproportionately felt by those least responsible for the problem: the poor and future generations. We have an obligation to take the lead, consistent with our disproportionate contribution. With only 5% of the world's population we produce 20% of the emissions.
"We can increase CAFE standards from 24 miles per gallon to 40 miles per gallon for starters. We can derive our ethanol from renewable resources, not those that exacerbate world hunger by driving up food prices and exact environmental damage of their own. We can reduce our dependence on hydrocarbon fuels, unsafe nuclear power, and our dependence on foreign energy sources.
"The best path forward is a combination of multiple renewable energy technologies that when combined holistically can achieve these goals.

Economy

"President Bush's claims that his tax cuts have fueled robust economic growth and record revenues, is wrong. The U.S. has not had strong growth since this President took office. Continuing with Bush's economic policies would do little to stimulate growth and would weaken the country's financial resources.
"In 2005, 37 million people were living in poverty, making the official poverty rate 12.6%. The unemployment rate in December 2006 was 4.5%.
"The President's tax cuts are the leading contributor to federal budget deficits. The Congressional Budget Office reports that tax cuts enacted from 2001 to 2006 were responsible for 51% of the deterioration in the budget. Obviously, economic growth was insufficient to make up for reduced tax levels.
"The President turned a budget surplus into budget deficits. He has never proposed a balanced budget since it went into deficit, never vetoed a spending bill when Republicans controlled Congress and offered little sustained objection to earmarks until the issue gained political traction last year.