Well i finally got to see a pipe made by RcR. It was on a 400 scrambler 2000 model. I looked at it and seen the most disgusting welding job i have ever seen, who welds them, kids that are learning how to weld ? Also the hose clamp that holds the silencer on looked real cheap if you know what i mean. The pipe silencer fit did not seem very tight, actually sloppy. Is this what they all look like ? According to the owner the pipe did perform excellent loves it Well worth the money. Was this just a bad looking pipe or is this a common thing for RcR ?

 

i bought an rcr kit. i would have to agree with the appearance, as well as the performance comments. i welded for 2 years for a living, and yes, they are some really rough weld jobs. rick, if you are reading, find a new welder! sorry otherwise, the performance is spectaculer. the hp gain is quite significant. the pipe is pretty solid once mounted. it does vibrate some, however the silencer is the most solid part of it if it is tightened correctly. licktite helps if your bolts are loosening. one more spring hook maybe half way through the bend on the pipe would help sturdy it more. there are plenty of places on the frame that you would be able to hook the other end to. the way i figure is overall its worth the money. the performance is excellent. and think about this... how many people actually look at the 30% of your pipe that is showing, not to mention the dirt and mud that is on it. i think the silencer fits nice, and has a clean look to it. definitely sounds nice to.

bigdevil\'99 scrambler 400 w/rcr stage 1

 

I didn't think my pipe was bad. As long as it does what he said it would do.

Although, all the paint burnt off of it after very little riding........

 

Jaime ,
It seems you have seen a less than perfect RcR pipe . If it was on a 2000 it was probably purchased this spring, my pipe business almost tripled . We were fast and furiously trying to keep up .
Never the less, our pipes on our best days may not be as clean as others , the reason is the way we make them . Most all pipes these days are stampings , which means they are formed into halves and then welded together . There are only 2 or 3 places in the whole country that actually make the stampings , everyone in the powersports industry depends on these few companies for all their sheet metal . Most of these companies who provide stampings are on the west coast . The stamps are then sent to a pipe building shop , there are only a few places that build everyones pipes , only a few companies actually build pipes inhouse .
The mass producers have the capacity to build numbers upto 200 a day I have been told .
In my shop we actually start out with bare sheets of steele , we cut our patterns and weld them together , our pipes are then expanded , like blowing up a balloon . This requires less tooling and allows us to update and experiment by simple pattern changes , not by retooling and making new stamps , which is very expensive , time consuming , and almost impossible from the middle of Illinois .
Tuners familiar with the type of proccess I use will admit that our method can make a better performing pipe because of the "contant divergement of the pipe " which means the angles are constantly changing on the pipe walls , on a dyno this can amount to an extra 3 horsepower while keeping a wide powerband . This type of building proccess highly stresses our welds and requires very high strength welds , and at times it leaves our welds looking less than desirable , but I assure you ours are the least prone to cracking. Ever heard of an RcR pipe cracking at a weld ? :-)
The tubing used on our pipes is 4130 chromoly steele , the silencer has a .009" clearance between it and the pipe , this is plenty tight , we frequently use high quality T-bolt clamps that will not allow any slop between the pipe and silencer .
Mounting a pipe to a Polaris is a tricky deal , they must be secure , but not to secure , Polaris engines will move half an inch almost on their rubber mounts , cracking of the pipe will result if the pipe will not allow for this movement .
I have seen in these forums folks like CaptNemo and the Quadfather changing from RcR to HPD equipment , and Mike Chero and Jack Schultze after trying HPD and RcR staying with RcR pipes , it goes both ways . I have no probem with that , I have RcR pipes AND HPD pipes and clutch kits in stock , either way you wish to go I have you covered . :-)
The current crop of RcR pipes in stock look pretty good , things have slowed a bit here and we are not so pushed as we were earlier this year . If anyone can post a pick in here please E-mail me , I will take a pic of a HPD pipe allong side of an RcR pipe for everyone to see .

Rick Ritter

 

Rick what process do you use for welding the pipes jigs or tack and go ? Can i get an unpainted pipe from you as i have accsees to powder paint system ? Any idia how powder paint will hold up on the pipe ?

 

Rick, does this mean that I can return your pipe for a better looking one, just kidding.
I did some modifications to your pipe, one being that I welded a hook at the bend near the frame so I could put a sring from there to the frame.
I did this in February this year and so far it is working great,just a little snugger now.
Hope this helps you out, Later Rictor.......

 

Rictor , I saw your *dare to compare* post . I was suprised to see few actually went for a tape measure and a stop watch . That could have been a very good thread . Acceleration tests are interesting reading , they do not show throttle responce or powerband characteristics but they do give at least a bench mark for comparison .
As they say ~when the green flag drops ,,,, the bullsh-t stops~

 

jaime
order the hpd pipe for $190.00 ,muffler $65.00,aggresive clutch kit w/pri.spring,sec.spring,shift weights,helix for $140.00, and put in a uni-filter for$20.00 drill some holes in your air box cut the snorkle down a inch or two and insert some thin wall tube and bingo air box mod.
if my math is right you got a "kit" that performs great,looks great,fits great for $395.00
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/RightWay/hiperfpolaris

 

Do you have an email address for them ? I may even get a discount from them becuse there working with polaris eqiupment.

 

HPD's fit/finish is top notch. You can go to their site at HPD-inc.com. Or there is a "wholesale" house that handles their stuff at a decent discount, at www.geocities.com/*******/