Shifting problems
Jan 21, 2009 | 10:40 AM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Jocko
first, and see if you secondary clutch is spinning during idle. It shouldn't be.</end quote></div>
You sure about that?..I know it seems like it would make since,but I'm pretty sure the secondary will turn in neutral...if it didn't the belt would wear alot faster..
Only the primary should ever spin when the belt is not turning..this is what happens when in gear and stopped..
Did you check with the new belt?
first, and see if you secondary clutch is spinning during idle. It shouldn't be.</end quote></div>
You sure about that?..I know it seems like it would make since,but I'm pretty sure the secondary will turn in neutral...if it didn't the belt would wear alot faster..
Only the primary should ever spin when the belt is not turning..this is what happens when in gear and stopped..
Did you check with the new belt?
Jan 21, 2009 | 11:19 AM
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The two rods that connect the shift leaver to the tranny have adjusters on each end,you may just need to minor adjustment. Mine was a little sticky getting into reverse,a minor adjustment made it go into reverse smoother then it ever did.
Jan 21, 2009 | 01:16 PM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: HIGHOCTANE
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Jocko
first, and see if you secondary clutch is spinning during idle. It shouldn't be.</end quote></div>
You sure about that?..I know it seems like it would make since,but I'm pretty sure the secondary will turn in neutral...if it didn't the belt would wear alot faster..
Only the primary should ever spin when the belt is not turning..this is what happens when in gear and stopped..
Did you check with the new belt?</end quote></div>
Dang,
Good catch, HO. Sorry for mistyping. I definitely meant to say primary clutch. Don't know why secondary came out!
With my old belt, it was worn on one side, causing it to ride up on the clutch and not allowing the one way bearing to do its job. Caused it to shift really hard. When I put the new belt on, it worked like a charm.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Jocko
first, and see if you secondary clutch is spinning during idle. It shouldn't be.</end quote></div>
You sure about that?..I know it seems like it would make since,but I'm pretty sure the secondary will turn in neutral...if it didn't the belt would wear alot faster..
Only the primary should ever spin when the belt is not turning..this is what happens when in gear and stopped..
Did you check with the new belt?</end quote></div>
Dang,
Good catch, HO. Sorry for mistyping. I definitely meant to say primary clutch. Don't know why secondary came out!
With my old belt, it was worn on one side, causing it to ride up on the clutch and not allowing the one way bearing to do its job. Caused it to shift really hard. When I put the new belt on, it worked like a charm.
Jan 21, 2009 | 01:39 PM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Jocko
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: HIGHOCTANE
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Jocko
first, and see if you secondary clutch is spinning during idle. It shouldn't be.</end quote></div>
You sure about that?..I know it seems like it would make since,but I'm pretty sure the secondary will turn in neutral...if it didn't the belt would wear alot faster..
Only the primary should ever spin when the belt is not turning..this is what happens when in gear and stopped..
Did you check with the new belt?</end quote></div>
Dang,
Good catch, HO. Sorry for mistyping. I definitely meant to say primary clutch. Don't know why secondary came out!
With my old belt, it was worn on one side, causing it to ride up on the clutch and not allowing the one way bearing to do its job. Caused it to shift really hard. When I put the new belt on, it worked like a charm.</end quote></div>
Ahhh...yes that makes sense..clutch alignment and offset being off can do the same thing as well..
The primary will spin independant of the belt in gear..in neutral everything should turn and the belt shoul ride in the center of the primary,not to one side or the other..if it does then it will drag when you try to put it in gear causing it to shift hard and even try to creep or pull in gear at idle..
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: HIGHOCTANE
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Jocko
first, and see if you secondary clutch is spinning during idle. It shouldn't be.</end quote></div>
You sure about that?..I know it seems like it would make since,but I'm pretty sure the secondary will turn in neutral...if it didn't the belt would wear alot faster..
Only the primary should ever spin when the belt is not turning..this is what happens when in gear and stopped..
Did you check with the new belt?</end quote></div>
Dang,
Good catch, HO. Sorry for mistyping. I definitely meant to say primary clutch. Don't know why secondary came out!
With my old belt, it was worn on one side, causing it to ride up on the clutch and not allowing the one way bearing to do its job. Caused it to shift really hard. When I put the new belt on, it worked like a charm.</end quote></div>
Ahhh...yes that makes sense..clutch alignment and offset being off can do the same thing as well..
The primary will spin independant of the belt in gear..in neutral everything should turn and the belt shoul ride in the center of the primary,not to one side or the other..if it does then it will drag when you try to put it in gear causing it to shift hard and even try to creep or pull in gear at idle..
Jan 21, 2009 | 01:58 PM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: TLC
Odd that Snow machines have no neutral to disengage the secondary pulley. Yet they do not get premature belt wear while idling.</end quote></div>
I'm not to familiar with the sleds but I think that the suggestion to not idle fo a long time in gear on the ATVs is more of a safe side measure since they do have a neutral...if the everything is set up right it shouldn't greatly affect belt wear...but in gear there is a small drag on the belt by the primary....
You can easily test this by putting one on stands and let it idle in gear...the drive train will turn on most CVT ATVs..not sure on a sled?
If perfectly set up maybe it should not turn the secondary in neutral or park,as you would think the belt should be riding on the one way clutch..but ones I have seen will turn the secondary..my 800 when new would turn the drive train when in gear and the wheels off the ground at idle and it shifted fine..this tells me there is some drag on the belt,which if let idling in gear for a long time would probably build heat and cause some wear...
Here is a vid...this machine looks to be in neutral..it isn clear and you can't really see alignment but you get the point..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB9h2r_-mfM
Odd that Snow machines have no neutral to disengage the secondary pulley. Yet they do not get premature belt wear while idling.</end quote></div>
I'm not to familiar with the sleds but I think that the suggestion to not idle fo a long time in gear on the ATVs is more of a safe side measure since they do have a neutral...if the everything is set up right it shouldn't greatly affect belt wear...but in gear there is a small drag on the belt by the primary....
You can easily test this by putting one on stands and let it idle in gear...the drive train will turn on most CVT ATVs..not sure on a sled?
If perfectly set up maybe it should not turn the secondary in neutral or park,as you would think the belt should be riding on the one way clutch..but ones I have seen will turn the secondary..my 800 when new would turn the drive train when in gear and the wheels off the ground at idle and it shifted fine..this tells me there is some drag on the belt,which if let idling in gear for a long time would probably build heat and cause some wear...
Here is a vid...this machine looks to be in neutral..it isn clear and you can't really see alignment but you get the point..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB9h2r_-mfM
Jan 21, 2009 | 09:03 PM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: HIGHOCTANE
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Jocko
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: HIGHOCTANE
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Jocko
first, and see if you secondary clutch is spinning during idle. It shouldn't be.</end quote></div>
You sure about that?..I know it seems like it would make since,but I'm pretty sure the secondary will turn in neutral...if it didn't the belt would wear alot faster..
Only the primary should ever spin when the belt is not turning..this is what happens when in gear and stopped..
Did you check with the new belt?</end quote></div>
Dang,
Good catch, HO. Sorry for mistyping. I definitely meant to say primary clutch. Don't know why secondary came out!
With my old belt, it was worn on one side, causing it to ride up on the clutch and not allowing the one way bearing to do its job. Caused it to shift really hard. When I put the new belt on, it worked like a charm.</end quote></div>
Ahhh...yes that makes sense..clutch alignment and offset being off can do the same thing as well..
The primary will spin independant of the belt in gear..in neutral everything should turn and the belt shoul ride in the center of the primary,not to one side or the other..if it does then it will drag when you try to put it in gear causing it to shift hard and even try to creep or pull in gear at idle..</end quote></div>
Geez,
I have to retract my earlier statement. Secondary should not spin during idle.
Sorry for the cluster, but check out this vid. This is exactly how mine works. maybe the newer ones are a bit different and both clutches should always spin??? The one way bearing in the primary prevents the secondary from spinning during idel. Mine is a bit older model (2001).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_HhKSY3Ro8
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Jocko
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: HIGHOCTANE
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Jocko
first, and see if you secondary clutch is spinning during idle. It shouldn't be.</end quote></div>
You sure about that?..I know it seems like it would make since,but I'm pretty sure the secondary will turn in neutral...if it didn't the belt would wear alot faster..
Only the primary should ever spin when the belt is not turning..this is what happens when in gear and stopped..
Did you check with the new belt?</end quote></div>
Dang,
Good catch, HO. Sorry for mistyping. I definitely meant to say primary clutch. Don't know why secondary came out!
With my old belt, it was worn on one side, causing it to ride up on the clutch and not allowing the one way bearing to do its job. Caused it to shift really hard. When I put the new belt on, it worked like a charm.</end quote></div>
Ahhh...yes that makes sense..clutch alignment and offset being off can do the same thing as well..
The primary will spin independant of the belt in gear..in neutral everything should turn and the belt shoul ride in the center of the primary,not to one side or the other..if it does then it will drag when you try to put it in gear causing it to shift hard and even try to creep or pull in gear at idle..</end quote></div>
Geez,
I have to retract my earlier statement. Secondary should not spin during idle.
Sorry for the cluster, but check out this vid. This is exactly how mine works. maybe the newer ones are a bit different and both clutches should always spin??? The one way bearing in the primary prevents the secondary from spinning during idel. Mine is a bit older model (2001).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_HhKSY3Ro8
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