don't give me grief about common sense. I'm not going to start telling everyone stories about my buddies switching from Polaris to brand-x, it's irrelevant. voicing your opinion is what a forum is all about, and my opinion is not always going to be in line with yours Bill. you sound very happy with your expedition, that's great. i tested them and formed a different opinion. my advice to nogrip would be shop around and get what suits you best.