WINCHS
Feb 25, 2000 | 01:57 PM
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RangerChet,
Hello? Hello?
Neither, I nor nor my friend have any intention of installing a marina/boat ratcheting winch on an ATV.
Nor have we installed one of these winches on an ATV.
"Buy and electric like the rest of us?" Where did that come from?
The reason I mentioned "ratchet" or brake was because the winch that came with his 2000 Polaris Sportsman will not hold his dock if he turns off the engine on the Quad. Apparently while he is pulling out the dock he has to do some work on it so he turned the quad off.
Hello? Hello?
Neither, I nor nor my friend have any intention of installing a marina/boat ratcheting winch on an ATV.
Nor have we installed one of these winches on an ATV.
"Buy and electric like the rest of us?" Where did that come from?
The reason I mentioned "ratchet" or brake was because the winch that came with his 2000 Polaris Sportsman will not hold his dock if he turns off the engine on the Quad. Apparently while he is pulling out the dock he has to do some work on it so he turned the quad off.
Feb 26, 2000 | 11:59 AM
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Well, yes, Dusty! A 1500 # winch with a ****** block provides 3000 # extraction force. YOU paid attention!
And, with that same, inexpensive ****** block, Walexa would have 6600 pounds of extraction force! (Somehow, a dealer's recommendation toward a $ 460 winch doesn't surprise me; Rule winches are throroughly waterproof and the highest quality, I understand. SuperWinch ATV2000/T1500 winches stalled at 2400 # pull after nine hours total immersion; yet these products are not completely waterproof like the Rule.)
If that don't pull him out, he's shore enough PLUMB stuck!
Tree Farmer
And, with that same, inexpensive ****** block, Walexa would have 6600 pounds of extraction force! (Somehow, a dealer's recommendation toward a $ 460 winch doesn't surprise me; Rule winches are throroughly waterproof and the highest quality, I understand. SuperWinch ATV2000/T1500 winches stalled at 2400 # pull after nine hours total immersion; yet these products are not completely waterproof like the Rule.)
If that don't pull him out, he's shore enough PLUMB stuck!
Tree Farmer
Feb 26, 2000 | 01:32 PM
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For what it is worth--I got a letter from Warn this week in reply to one I sent to them regarding the (un)realistic idea of using a 3500 pound winch or larger. I asked about using a dual or multiple battery setup, etc. They said the current draw would probably be too high. BUT, they said in recent tests with a large winch, the ATV had suffered deformation to the frame. I can get the exact wording, but that was the basic idea.
Feb 27, 2000 | 12:31 AM
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TxDoc2, did Warn explain HOW a "too-large" winch damaged an ATV?
Granted, with a 12,000 # winch mounted, the towbar tied to one giant redwood tree, and the winch cable anchored to another, at full pull, something likely would stretch.
However, for self-extraction, I cannot visualize how a winch of ANY size can exert more stress on the frame than evacuation requires.
Example: A quad is stuck, held fast by mud, mire, etc., requiring 2000 # force to free it. Guy has a, let's say, 2500 # winch mounted. When the line tension reaches 2000 #, what happens? The quad moves, right? And the line tension goes down as the quad is retrieved. Now, same scenario, except the guy has a 12000 # winch mounted. He throws the switch; then, what happens when the line tension reaches 2000 #? Again, the quad moves! And, it moves at the same tension and same stress, whether the tension came from a 2500 # or a 12000 # winch!
Otherwise, Jeff, the technical service man at High-Lifter, must be informed his 6000 # winch puts his quad at risk. Further, the poster who mounted a 3300 # Rule winch on his quad, should also be warned. Even I, who just mounted a 3000 # SuperWinch X2, imperil my own quad.
Regarding the SuperWinch mount, the mounting plate is held by two U-bolts fastened onto a welded internal frame tube, plus two more U-bolts fastened to a bumper tube (total of eight 1/2" nuts anchoring the plate to the quad; total of six hardened 8 mm bolts (four in shear, two in tension) holding the bumper to the quad). With the force distributed so broadly across the ATV's structure, hard to see how "too much winch" could hurt it.
Again, I don't understand the concept of "too much winch" for self-extraction. Did Warn explain the mechanism whereby excess line pull damages a quad in self-extraction?
Looking at things from another direction, let's say, a quad is stuck beyond its winch's ability to free it (happens sometimes, I'm told). Now, here comes the tandem-axle wrecker used for retrieving 18-wheelers and Greyhound busses. Are we going to wave the wrecker off, because he has too much winch capacity? I mean, leave the quad in the swamp as some kind of permanent sculpture, because pulling the machine out will damage it?
Just askin', thanks for your contribution to the discussion!
Tree Farmer
Granted, with a 12,000 # winch mounted, the towbar tied to one giant redwood tree, and the winch cable anchored to another, at full pull, something likely would stretch.
However, for self-extraction, I cannot visualize how a winch of ANY size can exert more stress on the frame than evacuation requires.
Example: A quad is stuck, held fast by mud, mire, etc., requiring 2000 # force to free it. Guy has a, let's say, 2500 # winch mounted. When the line tension reaches 2000 #, what happens? The quad moves, right? And the line tension goes down as the quad is retrieved. Now, same scenario, except the guy has a 12000 # winch mounted. He throws the switch; then, what happens when the line tension reaches 2000 #? Again, the quad moves! And, it moves at the same tension and same stress, whether the tension came from a 2500 # or a 12000 # winch!
Otherwise, Jeff, the technical service man at High-Lifter, must be informed his 6000 # winch puts his quad at risk. Further, the poster who mounted a 3300 # Rule winch on his quad, should also be warned. Even I, who just mounted a 3000 # SuperWinch X2, imperil my own quad.
Regarding the SuperWinch mount, the mounting plate is held by two U-bolts fastened onto a welded internal frame tube, plus two more U-bolts fastened to a bumper tube (total of eight 1/2" nuts anchoring the plate to the quad; total of six hardened 8 mm bolts (four in shear, two in tension) holding the bumper to the quad). With the force distributed so broadly across the ATV's structure, hard to see how "too much winch" could hurt it.
Again, I don't understand the concept of "too much winch" for self-extraction. Did Warn explain the mechanism whereby excess line pull damages a quad in self-extraction?
Looking at things from another direction, let's say, a quad is stuck beyond its winch's ability to free it (happens sometimes, I'm told). Now, here comes the tandem-axle wrecker used for retrieving 18-wheelers and Greyhound busses. Are we going to wave the wrecker off, because he has too much winch capacity? I mean, leave the quad in the swamp as some kind of permanent sculpture, because pulling the machine out will damage it?
Just askin', thanks for your contribution to the discussion!
Tree Farmer
Feb 27, 2000 | 08:40 PM
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Tree-They did not tell me exactly what they were doing in the test. I don't know if I want to know 
. They basically told me it was their opinion to stick with the winches designed for atvs. The battery on an atv can handle the current draw of them, but larger winches may pull more current than is practical.
Jeff at Highlifter told me he was, in reality, just kidding about the 6000 pound winch.
I think most people who have mounted from a 1,500 to a 3,300 pound winch on an atv are satisfied with the result. I guess there is always gonna be someone who will do something extreme like mounting a Warn 12,000 pound winch on something that does not require it. Anything is possible. You can get hung up on an unseen stump in the mud and wonder why the winch is straining so hard. But, you just have to plan for situations that you are likely to encounter and deal with those unexpected things as they come up.
But, no argument here with the previous posts. I agree with them.
. They basically told me it was their opinion to stick with the winches designed for atvs. The battery on an atv can handle the current draw of them, but larger winches may pull more current than is practical. Jeff at Highlifter told me he was, in reality, just kidding about the 6000 pound winch.
I think most people who have mounted from a 1,500 to a 3,300 pound winch on an atv are satisfied with the result. I guess there is always gonna be someone who will do something extreme like mounting a Warn 12,000 pound winch on something that does not require it. Anything is possible. You can get hung up on an unseen stump in the mud and wonder why the winch is straining so hard. But, you just have to plan for situations that you are likely to encounter and deal with those unexpected things as they come up.
But, no argument here with the previous posts. I agree with them.