I won't quote a post that was quoted. I think they get a little long and hard to follow sometimes unless someone would prefer it.

Actually, I did post a link to the information on my post. I think it was attached to the post that you quoted.

Of course you are under no obligation to share your education and expertise. I just thought that since you spent so much time flaming me that you may want to show that you have actually walked the walk. I guess not.

OK, call me a liar. It is easily verified that these vandalism accounts happened. I am simply quoting my next door neighbor talking about his plant. He was talking about how ridiculous it is. And, NO, I did not accuse or even imply that you would do such a thing. But, it has in fact happened.

Um...How exactly does a tax subsidy to build a plant help you sell more cars???? Someone in Tennessee generally couldn't care less about a plant in Kentucky. I would imagine the same would apply in Japan. Again, the problem lies in building a competitive vehicle. I don't care if the Japanese government built the plant for GM and paid their first year of wages that they would sell many Vibes, Malibu’s, or name your own model. That was a totally ridiculous argument.

You are still sticking to that price comparo? That's funny. Why won't you compare dollar for dollar options in your comparo? Besides, even if you take your numbers, it has ALWAYS been cheaper to buy a Taurus than a Camry. And, now, the Taurus has a $3000 incentive. Yet, they still get out sold. Must not be price...

Come on Bryce, The market is ONLY price driven in commodities. When you introduce differences in models, options, motors, financing, sales people, marketing, etc. it puts price as a much lessor issue. Please tell me you are smarter than that. I think you are, but you won't admit a dumb statement.

 

What a crock of $hit that was. It's funny how you take liberty with those numbers which, first of all are WRONG!!! Second of all, they DO NOT include labor. Last, they don't include Bryce's skis or Seadoos!! The simple calculations, which is a failed attempt to make people feel guilty, have no bearing.

This little exercise STILL does not take into consideration the REAL problems.

But, I am very impressed with your basic math skills. You could work as a cashier somewhere.

 

05PRED500,

Some people will scratch a car for any number of reasons. SUV's get scratched over gas, war, and the environment.

I don't think we have fair trade.

Why more people will buy a Taurus than a Camry? Could it be they are misguided? People base opinions on information. I think Bryce put out very good information. I'm glad he is helping to get the facts out, and as simply as he did in his last reply. And that was just one aspect of the answer to 'Why buy American'.

 

That link did not work.

One incident hardly defines a general pattern of behavior. It is like saying that all Toyotas are bad because someone had a bad transmission in one.

I think you missed my point. GM is not about to get a subsidy from Japan to build a plant. I suggest they are smarter than to pay the competition to compete with their own domestic manufacturers. We in the US don't seem to understand that way of thinking. We are quite happy to build plants for off shore companies, even if it means destroying our domestic manufacturing industry. And that is hardly ridiculous

Funny thing is, all of these vehicles had air, auto, stereo, electric everything. Seems to me, they had most things that most anyone wanted. And it seems to me, we can only compare MSRP because not everyone can always get $3000 dollars off on a Taurus, except for now. It is funny how you rationalize to support a losing argument.

Are you really a small business owner? Has it ever occured to you why Wal Mart does so well? Is it possible that people want the lowest price? Please tell me you are smarter than that.

 

I see 05PRED500. So you don't like my calculations. And since labor is a fixed cost that is virtually the same for all cars, it is irrelevent. I guess you need to go back to business school where they taught you that. Hey, better yet why don't you just ask one of your cashiers how to add a fixed cost. And I am not sure where Jetskis enter the equation. Why don't you ask a cashier about that also.

And thank you Lukester, you see the calculations as a real life comparison of what happens when we don't buy American

BTW, I changed the 85% to 82% that I incorrectly transcribed. LOL, I guess I would make a poor cashier.

 

Not ONE incident, SEVERAL. Plus, it happens all over the country. I guess you justify those actions since you keep minimizing that behavior.

Actually, there are a significant number of German cars in Japan. So, yes, build a competitive car and they are smart enough to buy them. But, that is the problemnow, isn't it?

I really want to address Bryces opinion that the average American isn't smart enough to buy America later. There are probably 150 million people that are pissed about that.

I am on my laptop now about to go to bed. I will deal with Bryces made up numbers tomorrow. If there is anyway possible, Bryce, can you post facts later?

 

WOW!! It is amazing the trash you are talking now. To suggest that buyers in the US are in trouble all over the country because they bought an import is absolutely absurd. Please go to bed. Maybe you will think about what you really posted here.

BWMs and Diamler Benz.. oh sure.. they are selling like hotcakes to the general public. These cars are hardly competition to the run-of-the-mill Japanese autos. I think I remember seeing a number in the single digits percentage.

I really got to hear this one, since I never said the average American isn't smart enough to buy American. Quite the contrary, I said the average American buys based on price. And I doubt that would make anyone mad. You are really stretching it now 05PRED500.

You know 05PRED500, you are sounding pretty desperate with this post. Maybe you need to take a break, go on vacation for a few days and just chill. It would be good to clear your head.

 

Oh, so its OK to buy foreign if its what you want? Or it's only OK for you? Or do you feel guilty?

Why didn't you buy the Ultra Touring as it's American (except the Fuji engine) and direct competition for the GT700?

Where did you get those bogus dollar back numbers?

 

A few posts back I posted the following:

For every dollar we send to China, we get 17 cents back.
For every dollar we send to Japan, we get 34 cents back.

Then in a following post, I compared 4 fictitious buyers and how it determines what amount of money goes off shore. Today I will look at what happens when someone buys a $50,000 Lexus with 3.6% US content that is made in Japan:

Buyer XYZ sends $50,000 * (1-0.036) = $48,200 to Japan and $48,200 * (1-0.34) = $31,812 stays in Japan

Buyer XYZ sent $31,812 off shore!!

Wow!! This single purchase has sent so much money over seas that could lterally pay for an American worker (in a small business) with a single purchase of an automoble!!! An even better reason not to buy cars built by these countries that have low payback on our dollars. Another reason to buy from American companies.

 

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LOL, I wanted the Skidoo



Oh, so its OK to buy foreign if its what you want? Or it's only OK for you? Or do you feel guilty?

Why didn't you buy the Ultra Touring as it's American (except the Fuji engine) and direct competition for the GT700?

Where did you get those bogus dollar back numbers?



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I'll ask the same questions.