First of all, what in the world is off-shore-itis?

What is the point of your "lesson"?

Huh...I a money hole. OK, not sure how if we are actually getting something in exchange for our dollars.

With your degrading tone and pointing out of obvious numbers, what is your educational and work background that affords your infinite wisdom and superior intellect? Other than just some guy on the internet, how is it that you know more than many economists? Since you have obviously thought through this ideology, what happens if everyone started buying "just" American products? What bargaining power do we have with Japan and China to open their markets?

Most of the time, you avaoid direct questions. Please grace us with your expertise and answer the very simple and basic questions posted above.

 

This is the way of thinking that says it does not matter if you buy off shore vehicles. And that off shore vehicles are inherently better than a similar product from an American company.

Let me put it in a way that you might understand easier:

For every dollar we send to China, we get 17 cents back.
For every dollar we send to Japan, we get 34 cents back.
For every dolar we send to Canada, we get 71 cents back.
For every dollar we send to Mexico, we get 68 cents back.

It is clear that we get very little back when we buy from either China or Japan. Since some US automakers make cars and trucks exclusively in Canada and Mexico, we can feel comfortable in knowing that even if we buy those vehicles, we are sending significantly less dollars off shore than if we bought from Nissan, Honda or Toyota.

LOL, I am mostly reflecting what many economists already know. Apparently you only read from economists that only support your view. And quite frankly, you have not posted anything that seems to support your view

I am not sure that you noticed recently that Japanese auto markets are not open!! So there is no loss of bargaining power there. And Chinese auto makers are not shipping to the US, so we cannot stop buying Chinese cars. So I don't understand your question. Now it seems to me that I am the only one that has responded to propnuts "Solution". And I am still waiting for an answer from you guys. Seems propnut has admitted that he doesn't have the slightest idea what to do. Maybe someone from the off-shore-itis side would venture a solution.

There has been no one else on this thread that has continually answered question so consistently as me. So I am not sure where this is coming from. Maybe you can ask the question that you feel I have not aswered and I will kindly respond.

 

Actually, no. You did it again. You avaoided the question. What educational background and/or experience do you have that would lend any credability to your posts.

Your response of "Apparently you only read from economists that only support your view. And quite frankly, you have not posted anything that seems to support your view" just doesn't fly.

Off-shore-itis - Who is to say what vehicle is better. If you listen to the so-called experts in magazines, the imports triumph most of the time. Why is someone wrong for buying a Toyota Camry when it is arguably the best mid-sized sedan built? Because you want to support GM when they won't compete to win those buyers? I don't think so.

I guess I should stop buying olive oil from Italy. I could be using corn oil which is inherently better right?

Geez, I better stop buy Austrailian and Chillean wines too. I would really miss Parmigiano Regiano!!

I agree, you have stay consistent and to the point. However, your views are simplistic and do not look at the big picture, nor do they address the REAL issues.

Furthermore, you have whined about the "buy American" people being called names and are ridiculed. That is really funny. Import buyers are the ones that are harrassed. If you even park an import anywhere near an American vehicle plant, you are at risk of vandalism. Your type tries diligently to criticise and vilify those who disagree. You also refuse to beleive that GM has any responsibilities in their failures. They are only victims right?

Simply put, build a car that competes and wins buyers and you won't need to complain about the imports. It doesn't compete just because Bryce says it does. Considering your stance and geographic location, I doubt you have any substantial experience with imports anyway.

Regarding the openess of other markets...That is BS. Japan is a relatively small market. Even Toyota is putting far less into the Japanese domestic market. But, even if they were free to open up shop there, what makes you think they will succeed if they are continuing to lose market share at home to the companies that reign supreme there? Here is an article that backs that up: GM - Asia Pacific Focus I didn't realize this, but several sources confirm that competitive pressures were the roadblock to sales in Japan NOT regulation or tarrifs. Those were lifted MANY years ago. Forgot to mention that did you Bryce? GM has had plenty of time to crack that market and failed.

Face it, most people in the US do not share your passion. So, we better start competing at home and the globally. GM and other stale companies had better become more innovative.

 

No PRED, I meant US/CANADA like the label says. Is it NAFTA that allows the manufacturer to group these two countries together on the label? Does anyone know how that breaks down between the two countries? Actually, I think its 90% on the Ford and Chevy and 75% on the Honda Ridgeline I checked (which I don't like). I don't remember what it was on my foreign owned manufacturer Dodge Ram. I'll have to check if that label is in my paperwork


I'm still trying to figure out whether Bryce only buys stuff he really doesn't want, like his snowmobiles, from foreign countries.

 

Ahh. I misunderstood. Not sure on the division between US/Canada.

 

LOL, I must have missed that forum rules that said that. Maybe you can point them out.

And where again is your solution?

Wow, this is a new one. Now we are all vigilantes and we vandalize import cars. I have never heard of this nor participated in such acts. You are really stretching the truth now. And one of my "solutions' hits GM squarely in the eyes, but I guess you missed that part eh?

Simply put, price matters and that was shown quite dramatically with both comparisons of the Camry vs Taurus and Vibe vs Matrix. I guess you missed those posts also eh?

I doubt that anyone would agree that 4,000,000 autos is a small market. Interestingly enough, GM may not succede because they would not be subsidized like some US states subsize Toyota. And that is why in one of my solutions, there must be a remedy for that. And you are really flinging BS if you are suggesting that GM is on a level field in Japan. How about sharing the website that points that information out!

Since the market is purely price driven, it is highly unlikely that any amount of innovation is capable of arguing with dollars.

 

LOL, I wanted the Skidoo, it just wasn't my first choice. It seems that people often do this when buying many things.

 

Bryce-The Europeans are recieving their wave of Chinese imports right now, and China will begin importing to the US in 2007. That is not very far away. The great economic minds of our time have been working on the US trade deficit, and if it can be solved in this thread, then someone should go into politics.



I have to say that I love this thread.China's First wave of Imports to US

 

Excellent points mfvii. Interesting reading about Bricklin. LOL, talk about adding another kink in the wringer.

 

A few posts back I posted the following:

For every dollar we send to China, we get 17 cents back.
For every dollar we send to Japan, we get 34 cents back.
For every dolar we send to Canada, we get 71 cents back.
For every dollar we send to Mexico, we get 68 cents back.

Let me put it in simpler context with real world examples:

05PRED500 buys a Nissan for $20,000 which has 38% content.
propnut buys a Honda for $20,000 which has 49% content
Lukester buys a GM auto for $20,000 that has 82% US content and 18% Japan
BryceGTX buys a GM auto for $20,000 which has 82% North American content and is built in Canada and 18% Japan

05PRED500 sends $20,000 * (1-0.38) = $12,4000 to Japan and $12,400 * (1-0.34) = $8184 stays in Japan
propnut sends $20,000 * (1-0.49) = $10,200 to Japan and $10,200 * (1-0.34) = $6732 stays in Japan
Lukester sends $20,000 * (1-0.82) = $3600 to Japan and $3600 * (1-0.34) = $2376 stays in Japan
BryceGTX sends $20,000 * 0.82 *(1-0.71) = $4756 to Canada, $4756 * (1-0.71) = $1329 stays in Canada $2376 stays in Japan

05PRED500 sends $8184 off shore when he buys a Nissan
propnut sends $6732 off shore when he buys a Honda
Lukester sends $2376 off shore when he buys a US built GM
BryceGTX sends $3705 off shore when he buys a Canadian built GM

So I think it is quite clear by the above calculation why it is much better to buy from any US auto company, even if it is built in Canada or Mexico. Once again, Why Buy American? Because it is best for the economy.