You are assuming that the only thing you need to change is shocks and springs. If you have to change A-arms, shocks, swing arm, tires and wheels. You could easily gain the weight. Not to mention the huge expense.
Bryce

 

 

Excuse the double post this is my first time quoting someone. Crazy did you ever run it all stock in the 1/8th. This past weekend was the same results as the last : the 700s didn't break 9.2 and my best was 8.91. One of the 700 had a wheelie bar with pipe/jet the other was lowered with pipe/jet. On the experience issue I've been racing these same guys off & on for 2 years and i'm still giving up at least 20lbs to the larger one. Until I see different I will believe that stock for stock the Pred will win.

 

This is a endless argument but I will way in anyway lol

Raced my buddies predator this weekend. My Raptor 700 is all stock and my buddies predator just has a pipe and been jetted. We ran about 15 times, neither of us are racers so here are the scenarios for what its worth.

The run was about 100 yards or so but just a guess

If he got the jump on the start he would beat me but I would be gaining back on him hard at the end so say if it was 100 yards if we would of had 150 yards I would of passed him back.

If I got the jump I would beat him by several quad lengths and be pulling away at end.

If we seemed to get a even start it was pretty even at first but half way through id start to pull away.

So from what I saw stock to stock the 700 Raptor is faster especially in a longer race but I can easly see a experienced racer on a Predator out running a 700 in a short race.

In the end I dont really care which is faster we are trail riders but just thought Id add my experience.

 

Kwiknik, no I never ran it stock. The bone stock preds around here are generally a little over 9 in the 1/8. this weekend we might take the kids ds with an end cap and carb to see how it does, if we run it I'll post the results of his.

 

Just for giggles, I say that you don't need to replace the tires, wheels, a-arms, or swingarm. What exactly is wrong with these parts on the 700? The arms and swinger are the same units as the YFZ now, which are more than stout enough for trail riding and some occasional racing. My only beef with the stock radials is the sidewalls are susceptible to punctures. Traction wise they are close enough to Holeshots, maybe even closer to the stock Razrs most Preds come with. I think Preds are great, and if Polaris would have gotten off thier can and released the '05 model a few months earlier, that is what I would have been riding now. Let's face it though, Yamaha fixed the shortcomings of the previous generation Raptor, and gave it a stronger engine to boot. It is also a great quad, worthy of ownership.

 

i can say this once and i'll say this again, all this is is a battle of who could care less. both quads fit their purposes flawlessly, and they both have 2 different purposes. I love my predator, and the 700 is awesome, and i would buy it in a second, but it really is overated to the max. thats just my honest opinion

 

Thanks for the helpful thread, folks. I'm in the market for a faster trail quad in the next month or so. Right now I'm looking at the Predator or Raptor 700 (although I haven't ruled out a z400). I'm gonna do some test-rides and see what I think. I'll let you know what I end up getting.

 

You have to read the whole thread there Scoot...they were talking about if you were to set both the machines up the same -- a Pred and a 700 -- that would negate the weight difference. They were listing some of the components that might be considered upgrades on the Pred that the 700 doesn't currently have, but you don't have to change that stuff on the Raptor, and you're right, it will be just fine the way it is...

 

id have to go with the raptor..my dad has one and those things r great for riding...there fast and have plenty of torque, i also like the predator but eveyrone knows the raptor has it beat. ride the rap and the polaris and choose for yourself