Do we really need fuel injected quads
#21
Originally posted by: Doctorturbo
I don't know the quad or the engine but if I had to take a wild guess I'd say:
EFI cars have a lot of sensors. These sensors give the puter feed back to tell the total management system what to do. The EFI on quads are not like that on modern cars. They are very crude.
To give the puter feed back on a car, you need a water temp sensor. Some even have air intake sensors and more. These sensors will tell the puter to tell the injector that it is cold out and to give the engine more fuel. When the engine is cold it goes into "open loop" which just means the puter does not listen to the sensors and it just deflaults to a pre-written program.
When all warmed up the O2 sensor and many more will tell the puter that the injector is giving the engine too much fuel and to cut back. When all sensors are in the game that is called "closed loop".
I know of no quad (yet) that has an O2 sensor. (there may be but I don't know of one) Just a guess, but maybe the Suzuki 450 does not have some of these sensors because they are trying to cut down on weight? Just simpler to add an enrichener valve?
Maybe they are worried about reliability? Even on relatively clean and vibration free roads, car sensors go out from time to time. Leading a race would not be the time to have a sensor go out.
The way some of the people on this board use their quads as boats, they are going to be in for a shock at the cost of a fix if silt and water ever gets into the fuel system. It won't be cheap!!!!!
Why does the EFI Suzuki 450 have (need) a choke? Im confused
EFI cars have a lot of sensors. These sensors give the puter feed back to tell the total management system what to do. The EFI on quads are not like that on modern cars. They are very crude.
To give the puter feed back on a car, you need a water temp sensor. Some even have air intake sensors and more. These sensors will tell the puter to tell the injector that it is cold out and to give the engine more fuel. When the engine is cold it goes into "open loop" which just means the puter does not listen to the sensors and it just deflaults to a pre-written program.
When all warmed up the O2 sensor and many more will tell the puter that the injector is giving the engine too much fuel and to cut back. When all sensors are in the game that is called "closed loop".
I know of no quad (yet) that has an O2 sensor. (there may be but I don't know of one) Just a guess, but maybe the Suzuki 450 does not have some of these sensors because they are trying to cut down on weight? Just simpler to add an enrichener valve?
Maybe they are worried about reliability? Even on relatively clean and vibration free roads, car sensors go out from time to time. Leading a race would not be the time to have a sensor go out.
The way some of the people on this board use their quads as boats, they are going to be in for a shock at the cost of a fix if silt and water ever gets into the fuel system. It won't be cheap!!!!!
#22
BT hails their wideband O2 sensor as God's gift to motorsports and it uses a bung welded in. There is also the option of hooking one up at the dyno while testing and tuning. None, utility atvs included, are self adjusting beyond minor altitude and temperature differentials.
I'm all for EFI for one reason above all others; tearing apart half of my bike each time I want to adjust a carb setting.
I'm all for EFI for one reason above all others; tearing apart half of my bike each time I want to adjust a carb setting.
#23
If you live at sea level and your greatest change in elev is 500-1000' then the carb is fine. I ride usually between 1000-6000' above sea level and temp ranges from 15-95. I want EFI on my next quad, Im sick of dealing with the carb problems. The EFI is just better.
#24
i thought you guys might find this interesting, because if it is successfull it may eventually find its way into quads. anyway, Navistar-International Diesel in conjunction with ford have developed Crystaline based injectors that and change shape to form different spray patterns and adjust injection pressure. these injectors will be in the new 2007.5 Super Duty with the 6.4L Dual-Sequential Turbo V8 Diesel.
if these injectors make their way to quads and motorcycles, think of the possibilities!
if these injectors make their way to quads and motorcycles, think of the possibilities!
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