Unbelieveable. How does Honda even compete?!

 

Well i think personally you are both on crack, but whatever u say...... I think the z400 isnt the most appealing atv like the colors yellow with blue seat, if im gonna spend that much money i want it to look sharp like the new 400ex's do

 

the top speed on my 05 400ex was about 73-75 mph. thats layed over the gas tank complaetly wound out, i dont weight but 140 pounds so that gives it a little more speed right there. now with my pipe and fully broke in motor i have been clocked at 80 on my new one and 85 goin down hill on my first 05 which blew flames out both sides about 10 feet long while trail riding. (honda dealership didnt put the oil line on the top of the motor on all the way and it blew it back off and ignited the oil) scariest experience in my life!

 

big name and reliability, basic design makes for esay repairs and ease of maintainance. sometimes the most simple designs are the best!

 

I think your radar gun was clocking in kilometers per hour. lol Raptors don't even go 80.

 

Reputation and that alone. There really is no excuse to charge that much for a design with no major revisions in the past 8 years. Suzuki has made as many if not more revisions to the Z, and not just foofoo stuff like changing the plastic design. They have given us a much better front suspension and a more powerful motor. Anyway, I would probably go with the Raptor. You can throw some offset wheels and better tires on the thing and it will be fine. They aren't as stable as the EX, big whoop. Just use a bit more body english to get around the corners. I rode with a completely stock 400EX last spring. While he was topped out in 5th, I could pass him at under 3/4 throttle in 4th on the YFZ. Even the big bore utes were walking away from him on the roadways we were riding from time to time. That aint happening with a Raptor!

 

I'm not saying that the 400ex is a piece of s--t, it's one of the most reliable machines ever built. I'm just saying that it costs too much for what it has.

 

I agree 100%

 

Well if I were buying a 400 I would get a Honda. The Z has had too many reliablity issues (breaking frames in 03, corroding clutch covers in 05, who knows what else in coming years) to trust.

 

Well the more and more i read about the brand new z400 the more i like itmfrom waht ive read it is better than the 400ex with a little bit more power and its liquid cooled which is a plsu since the 400ex is air cooled(which i hear isnt the greatest) so is the z400 as good as it sounds?