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Old Jul 8, 2004 | 09:42 AM
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I have a P650 as everyone probably knows. After seeing and reading about both atvs I will go with the KQ700 over the BF750. At one time I said I would never own a Suzuki or Polaris. Well, thats because they never made an atv that I liked nor did it look like they ever would. Now, the KQ looks "on paper" to be the perfect atv. Just look at the diminsions of the two. Im not going to ramble on here about how I think the KQ is better. The only place the BF "might" be better is in power and speed with the additional 50cc. BUT, with low compression 8.8:1 for the BF compared to the 10.0:1 of the KQ and the efficient EFI of the KQ and the possibility of the KQ not being detuned may push it past the BF.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2004 | 10:49 AM
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I just read in ATV Action that the KQ uses a sway bar to reduce body roll and it will have winch mounts built into the frame. Other then that all of the information we have seems to be accurate. I have also been told that a limited number of KQ's could see an August delievery date!
 
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Old Jul 8, 2004 | 11:41 AM
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I am like you Kiss......IF this thing handles good it could be IMO the best overall or well rounded machine for me.I never questioned Suzukis product but they were behind the times until recently.I would own any of the four Jap makes if it fit the bill for me.I also hope they can narrow it up in the engine dept.I have ridden my friends Eiger and that thing is FAT at the foot boards compared to a Yamaha or the Kaw.Their belt cover defininitely sticks out more.
I still can't understand not putting efi on the brute....
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Old Jul 8, 2004 | 12:05 PM
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The KQ CVT setup sounds and looks like the Yamaha setup. If so thats good and bad depending on how you look at it. I view it as good because the downhill breaking is better on the Yamaha CVT than the KEBC on the Kawi and will require a lot less maintenance than the Kawi design. However, the Kawi design is much more and easily tunable for different needs. I rode my 00 Kodiak for over 3 years and never "had" to touch the CVT. As far as being wider than the Kawi I would just have to toss a leg over it and see what it feels like.

Unfortunatly I wont be doing that until September. I called 3 local dealers and all said they wouldnt be getting one until September.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img] Oh well, I will ride the next best thing until then. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
 
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Old Jul 8, 2004 | 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by: RoscoePW
what can a 750 do that a 700 really cant i mean come on 5 years ago 400's gt around the same terrain big bores do today, i would get the 700kq bc of looks, ergonomics,,,,and i dont like vtwins, althought im a littly weary of efi, battery dies, quad dies, need a big battery.

Just courious, but why don't you like v-twins?????? They have better power curves. Just wondering.
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Old Jul 8, 2004 | 12:35 PM
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KISSSOFDEATH you are right. The best thing any buyer of a quad can do is sit on it and see how it feels or better yet test ride one or find a friend who has one who will let you ride it in the same terrain you plan on using it in. Every persons needs are not the same nor are our prefrences. In RoscoePW case he may feel more comfortable on a 400 or 500; however, when these machines weigh about the same as a 700 - 750cc machine why not have the extra power for when you need it? The low end torque on my P700 has gotten me out of more trouble then it has ever gotten me into.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2004 | 04:10 PM
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Personally, I am glad to see Suzuki do the KQ on their own. I love my kawa700 and I imagine that the kawa BF is a monster, but I also imagine that the KQ700 will be too. I would venture to say that these two quads will be the number 1 & 2 top dogs for a while. Happiness will abound with both of these quads for a long time, so you really probably can't go wrong with either, since they are made by suzi and kawa.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif[/img]
 
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Old Jul 8, 2004 | 04:59 PM
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I just got back from my local Kawi dealer that also sells Polaris. I stepped on the side of the Pol700 and it didnt sink that much at all. I put a foot on the BF700 and it sank a good 4-5". Thank goodness the shocks are adjustable unlike the Rincon. I cant wait to put a foot on the KQ700. I drove by my local Suzuki dealer "which happens to be beside the Kawi dealer" and they just got the new 2005 brochures in. It list the KQ700 and even the accessories that Suzuki is offering for it. I just thumbed through it so far.

It truely is going to be a great year for the atv industry.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2004 | 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by: kodiac1
... Some guys are crying about not being able to (hop up) the efi.Like you trying to squeeze another few horses is not worth it to me.Being able to start out at 4000 feet and ride to 10000 WITHOUT worrying about jetting is MUCH more important....just my opinion.....I could be wrong[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
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Could someone please clear something up for me about EFI. My understanding is that the EFI system (like the Polaris) will most likely be unable to self-adjust the air-fuel mixture when doing mods. If it's unable to self-adjust for this increased airflow, how can it self-adjust for the increase/decrease of O2 when changing altitudes?
 
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Old Jul 8, 2004 | 07:18 PM
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I am not sure that it cannot.I know on cars guys remove the converters and install low restriction air filters and they compensate for it.I just know that it will detect the amount of fuel needed for the conditions and supply it correctly.It sounds like you understand that the air thins (has less o2 molecules) as you increase altitude.The sensors read this and adjusts as needed.It is SO much more efficient.I read one article that said the 700 Polaris EFI went on the average 20 miles more on a tank of gas than the carb version did and the performance was just as good.With carbs you got what you got with the jets in there no matter what the altitude or temp.I guess the only thing I can think of is the system just can't go rich enough if the airflow is increased enough?????
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