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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 01:28 PM
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Actually the manual says:

Cylinder Head Nut

8mm 15-18 ft lbs
6mm 5-8 ft lbs

For other bolts and nuts not listed prediscribed, refer to this chart:

Conventional or "4" marked bolt

8mm 7-11.5 ft lbs
6mm 3-5 ft lbs

"7" marked bolt

8mm 13-20 ft lbs
6mm 6-8.5 ft lbs
 
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 01:39 PM
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Alternators and magnetos are AC and AC is the most efficient way to generate electricity. Adding a rectifier will convert the AC to DC so you can install a battery, but then you lose efficiency. So, if there is no need for a battery, its best to just leave it in AC. So anything that doesn't have a battery is almost certainly AC.

I have 5 months till i graduate with a degree in electronics engineering technology, never really looked at the wiring diagram i just assumed there to be a rectifier
 
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 01:43 PM
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I was looking in the spec section of the vault and you guys are missing everything about the 250! You have the 85 and 86 models, 87 and 88 models, but forgot to add the 89 and 90 models and those are the best ones!
 
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 01:49 PM
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I have 5 months till i graduate with a degree in electronics engineering technology, never really looked at the wiring diagram i just assumed there to be a rectifier
I guess I was preaching to the choir

So you would be the guy to ask... what's the difference in an AC bulb and DC bulb?
 
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRandy
I guess I was preaching to the choir

So you would be the guy to ask... what's the difference in an AC bulb and DC bulb?
They are practically the same thing you can use an ac bulb on dc but you wont get the best wattage output. When you use a rectifier from ac to dc ur basically taking out the negative part of an ac wave than you use capaciters to filter out what we call ripple voltage. After you rectify and go through the filtering you get an effective dc voltage from ac which is 63.7% of the ac voltage so basically if you put 100 volt of ac through a dc bulb you only get 63.7 volts worth of output. Plus a dc filiment is thicker i belive . And light bulbs dont mater which is positive or negative unless you get into leds, but thats a whole other story
 
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve230
They are practically the same thing you can use an ac bulb on dc but you wont get the best wattage output. When you use a rectifier from ac to dc ur basically taking out the negative part of an ac wave than you use capaciters to filter out what we call ripple voltage. After you rectify and go through the filtering you get an effective dc voltage from ac which is 63.7% of the ac voltage so basically if you put 100 volt of ac through a dc bulb you only get 63.7 volts worth of output. Plus a dc filiment is thicker i belive . And light bulbs dont mater which is positive or negative unless you get into leds, but thats a whole other story
The construction is basically the same thing, an ac bulb flashes just to fast for you to see. A dc bulb is always on. You cant see anything faster than 20hz or 20 flashes per second
 
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve230
They are practically the same thing you can use an ac bulb on dc but you wont get the best wattage output. When you use a rectifier from ac to dc ur basically taking out the negative part of an ac wave than you use capaciters to filter out what we call ripple voltage. After you rectify and go through the filtering you get an effective dc voltage from ac which is 63.7% of the ac voltage so basically if you put 100 volt of ac through a dc bulb you only get 63.7 volts worth of output. Plus a dc filiment is thicker i belive . And light bulbs dont mater which is positive or negative unless you get into leds, but thats a whole other story
If you take out half the AC wave, how do you get 63.7%? Wouldn't it be less than 50%?

What about fullwave rectification?

Good point about LEDs. Can't use those on the 230 for sure.
 
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 02:22 PM
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The construction is basically the same thing, an ac bulb flashes just to fast for you to see. A dc bulb is always on. You cant see anything faster than 20hz or 20 flashes per second
I figured they were made the same, but didn't know how the power rating is on the AC bulbs. Is it rms or peak? And how would that compare to DC power? In other words, I guess what I wanna know is can I grab any ole 45 watt bulb and shove it in the front on the 230? Will a DC bulb shine as bright as an AC? Will it draw too many amps and burn up the magneto?
 
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRandy
If you take out half the AC wave, how do you get 63.7%? Wouldn't it be less than 50%?

What about fullwave rectification?

Good point about LEDs. Can't use those on the 230 for sure.
Well theres alot more to it. When you talk about your average 120 volt ac comming from your wall thats the "effective dc" voltage actrually. When talking in terms of Ac you have peak voltage and peak to peak volatage. Peak voltage is 1/2 the wave. and peak to peak is the full wave. you actrually have roughly 340 volts comming out of your wall. 120 volts time 1.414 gives you about 170 volts peak and to get peak to peak you double that and get 340 volts. So as it would seem you would assume it to be less than 50% taken away but in reality your not. There are 2 types of rectifiers half wave and full wave. On a half wave rectiefer your rectifeing either the positive or negative parts of the wave while leaving one or the other intact. A full wave rectifer rectifies both positive and negative going waves. You can certianly use leds on dc, but you must pay attention to which is negative (cathode) or positive (anode). What makes up a rectifier is diodes. well led's are light emiting diodes (diodes restrict current to flow in only one direction) Ac - alternating current so it flows both ways Dc- only flows in one direction. If you put an led in to ac it will only turn on for 1/2 the wave while with dc it will be on the whole time as long as you have the polaritys correct when connecting it
 
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 02:30 PM
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Think I found the answer: Answers.com - Can AC bulb works with DC



Yes you can use a AC rated bulb on DC, When using an AC bulb on 110volt DC you would need to double the wattage of the bulb to get the same amount of light output. So if you need 50 watts of light you would need to use a 100 watt bulb on 110 volt DC. One benfit of using DC is the bulbs last longer! Hope this helps.
It is important to understand that 110 volts AC is also referred to as "effective
voltage" or "DC equivalent voltage". In reality, the true voltage at the wall outlet is
anywhere from 311 to 340 volts peak to peak alternating current in the U.S. at 60
cycles per second. A cycle is a sine wave starting at zero volts at the short slot on
the outlet swinging negative to approximately 160 volts negative in respect to
neutral or ground then going to approximately 160 volts above ground or neutral 120
times per second. The 110 volts is derived by dividing the peak to peak voltage by
two, then multiplying .707 root mean square, which equals the term 110 to 120 volts alternating current.

So,,, to use a DC bulb we would have to divide the wattage by 2? 22.5 watts? If so, that seems to back up my fear that a 45 watt DC bulb would draw too many amps and burn up the magneto coil.
 
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