85 to 88 Suzuki LT230S Quadsport help.
#4181
85 to 88 Suzuki LT230S Quadsport help.
The intake side hinges on the fact that I'm using a 32mm carb. As you can see, the intake valve of the 230 fits nicely inside the carb:
Actually, since I'm using a 250 head, my valve is 33mm. So, my carb is 1mm smaller than my valve.
Anyway, the idea is to smooth the flow from the carb to the valve.... So, I needed to find a manifold that fit the carb exactly. Luckily, the Lakota had one, so I swiped it. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
I had to use a rat-tail file to move the holes over a bit, but other than that its a perfect fit! (JB weld on the bottom of it in that pic). $18 from bikebandit.... I had to order another one for the Lakota. It should fit the 230 perfectly. The 250 has wider bolt holes than the 230.... That's why I needed the rat-tail file.
Now I have 32mm of flow from the carb and across the manifold.... Just need to match the port entrance to the manifold and dump in some JB weld to do the motoman thing.
Illustrated pics:
Top view... Notice the vane behind the intake guide. Also I deshrouded the valves and polished the combustion chamber:
Manifold on the port:
Manifold on the carb:
View down the carb into the port and thru the manifold:
Actually, since I'm using a 250 head, my valve is 33mm. So, my carb is 1mm smaller than my valve.
Anyway, the idea is to smooth the flow from the carb to the valve.... So, I needed to find a manifold that fit the carb exactly. Luckily, the Lakota had one, so I swiped it. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
I had to use a rat-tail file to move the holes over a bit, but other than that its a perfect fit! (JB weld on the bottom of it in that pic). $18 from bikebandit.... I had to order another one for the Lakota. It should fit the 230 perfectly. The 250 has wider bolt holes than the 230.... That's why I needed the rat-tail file.
Now I have 32mm of flow from the carb and across the manifold.... Just need to match the port entrance to the manifold and dump in some JB weld to do the motoman thing.
Illustrated pics:
Top view... Notice the vane behind the intake guide. Also I deshrouded the valves and polished the combustion chamber:
Manifold on the port:
Manifold on the carb:
View down the carb into the port and thru the manifold:
#4182
85 to 88 Suzuki LT230S Quadsport help.
I shimmed the spark plug so its not in the way of the intake flow.
Here the spark plug is right:
Here the plug is wrong:
Also, with the plug installed right, the flame front begins and bounces off the top-center of the combustion chamber. With the plug wrong, it bounces off the cylinder wall and edge of the piston. I don't know how much of a difference this makes, but they sell spark plug shims just for this purpose. I figure intake flow restriction is the most important thing. No sense in having the tip of the plug blocking incomming air.
Here the spark plug is right:
Here the plug is wrong:
Also, with the plug installed right, the flame front begins and bounces off the top-center of the combustion chamber. With the plug wrong, it bounces off the cylinder wall and edge of the piston. I don't know how much of a difference this makes, but they sell spark plug shims just for this purpose. I figure intake flow restriction is the most important thing. No sense in having the tip of the plug blocking incomming air.
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#4186
85 to 88 Suzuki LT230S Quadsport help.
I usually just risk it all, but I suppose you could wrap tape around the non-cutting parts of the dremel tool and maybe some clay or silicon or something for the seats.... Something easy to remove.
I know something I tried to stick to was turning the dremel off before removing it from the hole. After hours n hours for a few days, its hard for me to always have that much self-control though. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
The 32mm carb isn't too terribly expensive http://www.bikebandit.com/product/A3309603 but I have no idea if its an improvement over the 28mm or not. I know the 28mm is better than the stock 26mm. I should know more tomorrow after the first test ride with the new setup. If it sucks, I'll have no choice but to go with forced induction or else have a junk head.
You might find a 250 on ebay if you keep watching for a while. That's where I found mine. The 250 looks exactly the same as the 230, but has a larger rod, wrist pin, taller jug, higher duration cam, larger intake valve, better shaped ports, straighter exhaust header, 7 clutch plates instead of 6, and 4th gear is closer to 3rd in ratio. The downside is its heavier than the 230 and the timing is not as advanced. I used the flywheel from the 230 to put my timing back at 35 degrees BTDC instead of 32 BTDC.
Try not to be too jealous though.... I've been throwing money at this thing for over a year and a half! And I'd hate to know how much time I have wrapped up in it. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
I know something I tried to stick to was turning the dremel off before removing it from the hole. After hours n hours for a few days, its hard for me to always have that much self-control though. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
The 32mm carb isn't too terribly expensive http://www.bikebandit.com/product/A3309603 but I have no idea if its an improvement over the 28mm or not. I know the 28mm is better than the stock 26mm. I should know more tomorrow after the first test ride with the new setup. If it sucks, I'll have no choice but to go with forced induction or else have a junk head.
You might find a 250 on ebay if you keep watching for a while. That's where I found mine. The 250 looks exactly the same as the 230, but has a larger rod, wrist pin, taller jug, higher duration cam, larger intake valve, better shaped ports, straighter exhaust header, 7 clutch plates instead of 6, and 4th gear is closer to 3rd in ratio. The downside is its heavier than the 230 and the timing is not as advanced. I used the flywheel from the 230 to put my timing back at 35 degrees BTDC instead of 32 BTDC.
Try not to be too jealous though.... I've been throwing money at this thing for over a year and a half! And I'd hate to know how much time I have wrapped up in it. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
#4189
85 to 88 Suzuki LT230S Quadsport help.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: PoolGod230
RANDY! WOW, just WOW!!!
I had my suspicions about you, but, DAMN!!!!!!!!!
Talk about a whole nother level???? Fu@kin sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</end quote></div>
Well.... Its a special carb. Only the best! [img]i/expressions/beer.gif[/img]
RANDY! WOW, just WOW!!!
I had my suspicions about you, but, DAMN!!!!!!!!!
Talk about a whole nother level???? Fu@kin sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</end quote></div>
Well.... Its a special carb. Only the best! [img]i/expressions/beer.gif[/img]
#4190
85 to 88 Suzuki LT230S Quadsport help.
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