Everything being "equal" the size of the engine matters but since this is rarely the case for numerous reasons...Most of the time it doesnt.

 

RPM - I did rephrase myself to say that I don't think it needs the extra 32 cc's to be faster.

LTZevil400 - The 440 kit by its self costs about $1000, then you would need aftermarket exhaust, new CDI (cause the stockers will hit the limiter to fast), filter, jet kit, cams, clutch, and rod. No way in hell are you going to get that for less than what a C-dale costs. You gotta think about the whole package man. Sure you can make it faster but if you go the cheap route, you won't be running long. The stock rod, and clutch won't hold up long to the 440 kit. You would need the pipe because the stocker would still hold the Z440 back and probably keep it from having that edge over the Dale. I don't think a Z440 would be a whole lot faster than a 440ex, and my Dale is just as fast as my friends 440ex w/ Yosh exhaust, WB cam, WB CDI, 10.3:1 compression, UNI filter, no airbox cover, jet kit, and much more. There's more stuff that he had to replace because the stock motor wouldn't hold up to the added power, but I can't remember what all he had done. So anyways, after you get all that done, you will be a little faster (yes, I said a LITTLE faster), and you will end up spending more than what I did on my Dale. Then I'll spend $265 and get a pipe and moto map and then I'll be ahead of you again, or at the very least, right beside you. Ofcourse we could take it out to the track and find out whats more important... Who's the faster rider [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]. You Z400 guys wouldn't want LTZ400racer representing you though... he told everyone to quit whining about broken frames, and to quit riding hard so they would quit breaking, lol [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img].


I Wasn't trying to bash the Z400 or anyone here in my previous posts, so I don't understand why everyone feels the need to jump all over me. Like Dabeechman said, it doesn't help me any or make me feel any better to bash your rides, I'm just stating my opinion. But whatever, I'll just keep my opinion out of the Suzuki forum. It's no big deal to me.

 

Dont go!!! I'm just having a little fun! Without you and DaBeechman we would have no fun in this forum. I just like to crank you guys up a little bit. I know my Z aint the fastest thing out there and I really know I aint the best rider[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img] but I do like to have fun, and I enjoy my slow a$$ Z. So please fell free to post here anytime your sorry C-dale a$$ feels like it[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

 

I had to chime in too.
I own a Z400 with LRD K&N, Jetted, thats all thats in the motor (its my girls ride), I own a 440EX with everything in the top and bottom to make it as fast as possible on top and bottom end(it is faster than any 440 I have reaced yet), and I just sold my Moto 440. So I have a good idea about this debate. The moto is the fastest, but it only beats my 440 by a length on a huge hill (in the sand). The Z400 is only about 3 lengths behind the EX (eqial riders/weight). When I put the FCR39mm on the Z (like the DRZ), have the head decked, ported ,polished, rev limiter changed, DRZhead gasket, this will be the fastest. I am not touching the cylinder/piston. The Z motor can handle more power, the carb, compression, and cams are all that is different on the DRZ vs the Z and we all know it has more power and is super reliable, it easily gets up to 45+hp on a bike with filter, jets, pipe, so it can hold the power. It won't be expensive to make this quad go fast.
To compare those quads is just not a fair comp. until you equal the field like I have listed above. then you still have the susp. issue.
Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, all like to take tame motorcycle engines and tame them even more and put them in a quad, (reliability, broader customer base, and liability) Cannonbailoutonyourcustomers likes(d) to build them to their utmost potential.
I know what idea sounds better, but we all know what one works better. Who is making profits and who is out of business? I applaud Cannondale for their efforts, but perhaps the market is a few years away from being able to support a race ready 12grr quad.

 

One last thing, (Sorry, I can't help myself.) If an extra 40cc isn't worth the money, the hastles or the performance gains, How come C-Dale went to 440cc instead of staying with the 400cc engine and just pumping more out of it?

My opinion. You can make any engine of any size into a rocketship (It only takes $$$). The trouble comes when you have to market that engine to the public. Now the public loves a Kick A** engine, but they also want Reliability. So the laws of physics along with the law of averages says that if you wind anything up to tight, eventually it is going to break. The least expensive way to remedee that situation is to increase the engine size, while keeping the reliability factor high. "ALL" things being "EQUAL" a 600cc engine will always beat a 300cc engine. It's simple Math.

I hope none of you took it that I was mad or bashing on ya. If you look at Any of my posts on any of the threads, I try to never attack anyone personally or their Quads for that matter (OK there was that one Thread in the Bomb forum, but Honestly, we were all just having fun and I never once got angry at all.). I enjoy a good discusion, that's how you learn things, right?

 

Well....ummmm...as far as the original question goes....i love mine [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] It's not modified like some of you guys have yours done...im gonna spend my money on the suspension first! My goal is to stay with my bike ridin buddies...and i think the suspension will keep me right with em...the only place they get away from me is in the whoops!!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]

 

depends on what the 300cc motor is and it depends on what the 600cc motor is. If your talking a 300cc 250r...yeah...if done right it will destroy a raptor. If the 600cc motor is another 2 stroke, like a 14 mil 75mm piston'ed banshee, then no...the 300cc bike would have its azz ruled. I think a 300cc 2 stroke can shame a lot of the 600cc quad motors though to be honest. cc's dont mean jack guys. Its how efficient a motor is, how it uses that power, and how the rider applies that power to the surface. 40cc's aint jack shiz, its a marketing plot to make the buyer feel like he is getting a better bike because it has more motor. Thats it. If its a 40cc bolt on kit, its more then likely the buyer wants something different, that his friends dont have. Even if its only 5 horses. Its 5 horses his neighbore doesnt have. Pretty much the jist of it guys

 

Well, I've said what I wanted to say so I'll leave that alone.

Rivermobster - you got the right idea. The most important modification on a quad is suspension mods. You can have all the power in the world but it won't work if you can't handle the terrain. The only aftermarket parts I've bought for my Dale is 18" tamers for better cornering and lower gearing, flipped some stock honda wheels around on the front for width (it increases bump steer a lot but I don't have any trouble handling it... I'll take a little more bump steer for some added stability), had my rear shock rebuilt, and tinkered w/ my front shocks to lower it a little (poor man's ZPS [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]). Before I even consider buying a pipe, I'm gonna save up for a wider axle, front shocks, and a steering stabalizer.

 

ilove mine too...just doesn't have the big displacment for the hills in glamis! great for overall dunning but lacks that extra hp. ( i have the ct full pipe, k&n,155 main,13 front spocket,lid off)im going to get the kfx-700 after this season. sounds like a nice fit for me (210 lb's, v twin,auto,42 years old!)

 

The Key words in my previous post were "ALL" things being "EQUAL":

"ALL" things being "EQUAL" a 600cc engine will always beat a 300cc engine. It's simple Math.