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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 07:41 PM
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WHOOOOOOOOOYA..........[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Take me home to "THE DUNE CITY" where the sand is clean and the girls are pretty!!!!!!!!!!! TAKE..........ME........... HOME!!!!!!!!!![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Bear, Quad4fun STOP the BICKERING.....Or you'll go to bed WITHOUT dinner!!!!!!!!!
 
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by: Bigdaddy660R
WHOOOOOOOOOYA..........[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Take me home to "THE DUNE CITY" where the sand is clean and the girls are pretty!!!!!!!!!!! TAKE..........ME........... HOME!!!!!!!!!![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Bear, Quad4fun STOP the BICKERING.....Or you'll go to bed WITHOUT dinner!!!!!!!!!
LMAO.. you tell em Big D!!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Oh how bout we goto the dunes and have a sand angel contest or sompin [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
 
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by: Bigdaddy660R
WHOOOOOOOOOYA..........[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Take me home to "THE DUNE CITY" where the sand is clean and the girls are pretty!!!!!!!!!!! TAKE..........ME........... HOME!!!!!!!!!![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Bear, Quad4fun STOP the BICKERING.....Or you'll go to bed WITHOUT dinner!!!!!!!!!
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Bear4570I've lived in this county a long time. Being smart as I am I know what's winable and what isn't. The Us vs Montana don't count for crap in this state. The res cops in this is state can not write tickets to other than Indians. That has to do with the treaties and the state Attorney General (2 different ones) ruled on this before and that's the way it is. For the Skok cops to make a deal with the local county procecutor to by pass the ruling is wrong. I know several of the other cops on the res including Brett's boss and they don't do this stuff. And just because a citizen mouths off is no reason to treat him different. He didn't write me for 10 over during on New Years Eve, so why write a ticket that's gonna create a stink? If the res cops have no right to write citizens on 101 they it really doesn't matter how fast he was going does it? This ticket stuff is a recent development that was covered before and the res of the res cops in the count don't do this. It's about abuse of power and I know several others that have complained about ticketing thing and the state says, just throw the ticket way.
boohoo, boohoo, boohoo. quit crying, so someone is speeding, then gets caught, then mouths off to the cop, gets a ticket for speeding and you call that abuse of power?????????????????????????? ummmmmmmm bullsh!t. get your head out of your a$$. one more thing, this whole whining thing you do everyday has nothing to do with quads, riding or PSAR. why dont you start a thread for people who give a flying F about politics.

"Being smart as I am I know what's winable and what isn't" LMAO
 
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by: SkLLz

boohoo, boohoo, boohoo. quit crying, so someone is speeding, then gets caught, then mouths off to the cop, gets a ticket for speeding and you call that abuse of power?????????????????????????? ummmmmmmm bullsh!t. get your head out of your a$$. one more thing, this whole whining thing you do everyday has nothing to do with quads, riding or PSAR. why dont you start a thread for people who give a flying F about politics.

"Being smart as I am I know what's winable and what isn't" LMAO
LMAO.. HAHAHA [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] Skillllzzzz in the house layin the smack down [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] I have to agree. I don't care about whose got the authority. Fact is if yer breakin the law your breakin the law. If you dont wanna get hassled. simple thing is to not break the law [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
 
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 08:25 PM
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HI Fred,
Well, I'd beg to differ on the fact that US vs Montana doesn't mean crap in this state. I believe it is a federal case. Case law does not have to be specific to a state. (genereally speaking anyway, and at least from what I've seen by watching Supreme Court cases).
How do you know the res cops in this state cannot write tickets to non-indians. Where is that in writing or law?
Where does it state they don't have the right to write tickets on Hwy 101.
I don't personally know if that is true or not, but doesn't make sense to me. So help educate me by showing me proof. The law, where in the treaty, anything in writing that states that they do not have the right to do it.

I know several of the other cops on the res including Brett's boss and they don't do this stuff. And just because a citizen mouths off is no reason to treat him different. He didn't write me for 10 over during on New Years Eve, so why write a ticket that's gonna create a stink?

First, he didn't write you a ticket because he was on a DUI emphasis patrol, You weren't drinking, and you weren't a prik to him. So why waste time when he could get back out and look for the drunks that could kill or hurt somebody else?
What do you mean by "they don't do this stuff"?? They don't write tickets to non-natives???

ALL cops don't give everybody they pull over tickets.
Ask the State Patrol for their reason for not giving everybody a ticket they pull over. I can't remember there exact response, so I won't try to quote it, but basically it's officer discretion, and it's as much a informative/learning experience.. (their words, not mine)
So if it's officer discretion, they obviously have certain thing they will write people for and what they won't. It's pretty much common knowledge, that if you are a prik to a cop, he's gonna write ya. If you are nice, don't lie, sometimes that'll be enough for them to not write you. Or if you are Blonde, oh wait, never mind [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
NOW for Brett, he didn't write him the ticket because Mr. Sheldon was acting the way he was. He wrote him because he was on a emphasis patrol and EVERYBODY got a ticket. Do you actually really think Brett wrote him a ticket to try and make a stink???

I still don't understand, whether they are a tribe or not, why I should be able to go through THEIR land and break the law and not be held accountable. I can see where they obviously would have no juristiction outside of the reservation.

I don't claim to know all the Facts and official laws pertaining to this, I'm just stating my opinion on the circumstances of Mr.Sheldon getting a ticket, and the fact that from what I've looked at and read, I don't understand why I'm exempt from following the laws while traveling through any tribal reservation. As I said, I hope this will at least lead to a concrete answer so this issue can be resolved. (not sure if the tribal lawyer has the ***** to follow through though [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img])
But don't think my brother did all this because "he can" or "abusing his power". That is far from the truth, and I'm sure he would more that take exception to that. He is not even close to being like, he is more than fair with everybody.

Thanks Freddy [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
 
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by: RidinLCWA PSAR, we have work to do! I came across another forum with over 31,000 posts. We are sitting at just over 27,000. How can we allow them to have such a lead? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Where's this bunch of yahoo's at?


 
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 08:31 PM
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Hey freddy,

As I'm sure nobody on here wants to read any of this, I'll leave it at that [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
Hopefully the tribal attorney will have the Kahunas to see this out ( I doubt it though) and maybe this will go the distance and finally get settled, no matter who wins [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
 
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 08:32 PM
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NOW Quad4fun.......Not only will U go to bed without DINNER, UR PUSHING FOR A SPANKING also (not that type of spanking either)
 
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by: maggiesboy
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Sean, Head line for the Mason County Journal this week reads; "Sheldon, Officials Probe Skok Ticketing On 101". I told you it was a bad idea for Brett to screw with him.
A change of attitude on your part might be in order.........

Brett was not screwing with him, so stop making it sound like that.
Brett was doing his job, and didn't even know who he was when he pulled him over. Until he started being a prik and acting like some important person that is above the law.
And to say that a law enforcement officer should not hold somebody accountable for their actions because of who they are is BS. Give me a break.
Brett does not play that game. He's more than fair with everybody he pulls over, and hardly gives out any tickets. He didn't give you a ticket when he pulled you over now did he....
In Sheldon's case he was on an emphasis patrol and everybody got tickets.
How bout Tim's relative that is a Judge that got a ticket the same day? Why did she pay her ticket?

Plus, its' not over yet. We'll see how it turns out in the end.
Doesn't matter how it turns out, as long as the thing gets sorted out in a "fair" way(like that's possible) and their is a clear cut answer......

2 points in that article that tell me what kind of person Mr. Sheldon is.

#1 - he says he got a ticket for doing 55 mph in a 45. hhhhhmmmmm. He was breaking the law and is now looking for a way to get out of it. What an upstanding citizen he is.

#2 - He says his the folks he represents have complained to him over this for a while now. So why is it that he is now giving a crap and wanting to do something about it? Is it because he now has got at icket and doesn't like it? What an upstanding politician he is.

By the way: Look up the case law for US vs. Montana. Don't remember all their funky lilttle numbers that go with it.
I've lived in this county a long time. Being smart as I am I know what's winable and what isn't. The Us vs Montana don't count for crap in this state. The res cops in this is state can not write tickets to other than Indians. That has to do with the treaties and the state Attorney General (2 different ones) ruled on this before and that's the way it is. For the Skok cops to make a deal with the local county procecutor to by pass the ruling is wrong. I know several of the other cops on the res including Brett's boss and they don't do this stuff. And just because a citizen mouths off is no reason to treat him different. He didn't write me for 10 over during on New Years Eve, so why write a ticket that's gonna create a stink? If the res cops have no right to write citizens on 101 they it really doesn't matter how fast he was going does it? This ticket stuff is a recent development that was covered before and the res of the res cops in the count don't do this. It's about abuse of power and I know several others that have complained about ticketing thing and the state says, just throw the ticket way.


the tribal popo up here have been writing a boatload of tickets to folks speeding on I-5 from M'ville to Smokey point. One guy in the shop tried to fight it and lost, cause That section of I-5 is on the reservation according to the judge. That's all I got to say on the issue.
Probably an Indian judge and he is wrong. Have your friend contact the Washington State Attorney General. Doesn't matter if the road is on the res or not. The Tribal Police do not have ticketing power over non-tribal or non-Indians. Been decide in court in this state several times. Look up "Oliphant vs Susquamish Indian Tribe" and "US vs Wheeler". The tribal Police can detain a non-indian for the county or state police, but can not ticket themselves. Then again if they don't issue the ticket, the tribe doesn't get to steal the white man's money some more. Oh yeah, even the 9th Curcuit Court of Appeals (the most liberal court in the nation) even found against the tribes on this issue.

 
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