ATV Connection Review of the Raptor
#12
07-15-2000, 10:01 PM
I have to agree somewhat, I wanted to hear that it completely shreds, and destroys anything on the market,but wait till dirt wheels tests it, then we will see how it stacks up. I dont have one on order, and i dont have a ds either, but I am hoping for some new truly HIGH PERFORMANCE atvs.
#13
07-15-2000, 11:09 PM
#14
07-15-2000, 11:27 PM
#15
07-15-2000, 11:34 PM
#16
07-15-2000, 11:49 PM
A stock ds does 74-75. The reason I say it is kind of disssappointing is that this thing has been hyped so much as being untouchable compared to all others. But I just seen the new atv action test on the raptor and it said that it would humilate the ds in a drag, and would be 3-5mph faster on the top end. Looks like someone better do some more test riding before they start spouting out numbers. Just not sure who is wrong.
#17
07-15-2000, 11:52 PM
I think that the Raptor faired worse in this review than any other that I've read. I'm with Scooby on the inconsistencies. There seem to be a few. Especially between ATV Connection and other magazines. The definitely didn't say the same about it as they did the DS650. This is what they had to say about it.
Are they biased or just honest? Who knows. If the Raptor gets beat by a Banshee and a DS650 easily, I guess I'm gonna have to say that Yamaha flopped this one.
Also, ATV Connection didn't say how short the drags were. Yamaha was giving results for 100 yards and more. There are a whole lot of varibles that would cause it not to get a good holeshot on the Banshee. It could have had so much power that traction was very limited whereas the Banshee didn't overcome the tires right off the line.
I guess we're all going to have to wait and see. Sure, I'm biased because I'm getting one. I also know that the Raptor won't be the perfect quad for everybody. I may end up eating my words, but I'm gonna go on record and say that it is going to beat a Banshee in most all drag races. I can't imagine a company investing MILLIONS of dollars and 2 years of its time to build a quad better than one they designed probably 15 years ago and then fail. It would be a tremendous screw up on their part to go in all the magazines and say that it is a major move up in performance, even from their own Banshee and then only beat a Banshee half of the time.
Our conclusion is that Bombardier is out to just clobber everybody in the sport market. The DS doesn't display any skitzy handling characteristics, has a stellar suspension, and has more power and speed than anything currently on the market. In fact, most after-market beefed up machines will get smoked by this quad regardless of terrain.
Also, ATV Connection didn't say how short the drags were. Yamaha was giving results for 100 yards and more. There are a whole lot of varibles that would cause it not to get a good holeshot on the Banshee. It could have had so much power that traction was very limited whereas the Banshee didn't overcome the tires right off the line.
I guess we're all going to have to wait and see. Sure, I'm biased because I'm getting one. I also know that the Raptor won't be the perfect quad for everybody. I may end up eating my words, but I'm gonna go on record and say that it is going to beat a Banshee in most all drag races. I can't imagine a company investing MILLIONS of dollars and 2 years of its time to build a quad better than one they designed probably 15 years ago and then fail. It would be a tremendous screw up on their part to go in all the magazines and say that it is a major move up in performance, even from their own Banshee and then only beat a Banshee half of the time.
#18
07-16-2000, 12:27 AM
#19
07-16-2000, 12:34 AM
Okay, here's a thought. Other mags have stated that the Raptor would pull right up to the rev limiter in high gear. Why couldn't one of us figure out what the speed would be when at 9000 rpm in high gear? I've never tried to mess with it before, but if I come up with something, I'll post it.
#20
07-16-2000, 12:51 AM
I feel a little a little silly by posting this, because I'm sure I've done something wrong, but this is what I came up with. If anyone else knows where I took a wrong step, please feel free to make the corrections or at least say where I went wrong.
This is the listed gearing on the Raptor:
Primary reduction
71/34:2.088
Secondary reduction
40/13:3.076
Gear Ratios
5th .904:1
Let's just say it will run up to 8,700 in high gear.
These are the figures that I used.
8,700 divided by 2.088= 4166.6
4166.6 divided by 3.076= 1354.5
1354 divided by .904= 1498.3 axle revolutions per minute
20" tires by 3.14= 62.8" of travel per rotation
1498.3 rpm X 62.8"=94093" traveled per minute
94093" divided by 12 (inches per foot)= 7841 ft. traveled in 1 minute
at 60 mph, you travel 5280 ft per minute so divide 7841 by 5280= 1.485
1.485 X 60 mph= 89.1 mph or basically, just over 10 mph for every 1,000 rpm that the motor will turn in high gear.
That sounds too fast. I'm sure that there may be other factors such as the tires not being completely round due to the flat spot on the bottom and so forth.
This is the listed gearing on the Raptor:
Primary reduction
71/34:2.088
Secondary reduction
40/13:3.076
Gear Ratios
5th .904:1
Let's just say it will run up to 8,700 in high gear.
These are the figures that I used.
8,700 divided by 2.088= 4166.6
4166.6 divided by 3.076= 1354.5
1354 divided by .904= 1498.3 axle revolutions per minute
20" tires by 3.14= 62.8" of travel per rotation
1498.3 rpm X 62.8"=94093" traveled per minute
94093" divided by 12 (inches per foot)= 7841 ft. traveled in 1 minute
at 60 mph, you travel 5280 ft per minute so divide 7841 by 5280= 1.485
1.485 X 60 mph= 89.1 mph or basically, just over 10 mph for every 1,000 rpm that the motor will turn in high gear.
That sounds too fast. I'm sure that there may be other factors such as the tires not being completely round due to the flat spot on the bottom and so forth.