If that was supposed to make a point against my "anything that changes performance is a mod" statement, then no, it would not make a significant power increase, but it will allow better use of the power already available, and the fact that they are different tires in the first place will make the bike perform slightly differently. If that was meant as a legit question, then ... well, then no, it would not make a significant power increase, but it will allow better use of the power already available, and the fact that they are different tires in the first place will make the bike perform slightly differently. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

Apology accepted and returned. It takes a big man to admit when he is in the wrong, which I am most of the time. I am very condescending, could be cuz of all the 18-20 year old idiots I have to put up with at work. In any case, my respect for you has made a complete 180. On the "nothing stock can touch a rappy" I was talking completely about top speed. My neighbors stock rappy has crept away from all the other quads we ride with when we're all topped out, to include 2 piped yfz, a pred, and of course my Z. As far as a shee beating a Z with two competent riders, no doubt the shee will win. I'm still not scared to race a stock shee, though. I probably won't win, but I lose to my buds yfz all the time, doesn't mean I'm scared to race him.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

ImBack, it's sad to see you still can't understand my simple words. I was never talking about companies that make aftermarket stuff. I was talking about yamaha's r&d on the shee. You can still get flathead V8s, doesn't mean ford still does r&d on them. You're just grabbing at stuff to try to make me look dumb and make yourself look smart. I applaud your tenacity, but not your tact. And all you gave me was final drive ratio's, it takes more than that to figure rpms of the wheel on a sheet of paper. You have to have initial reduction and top gear ratios as well.

You can see the bub rub and lil sis woo woooo clip on ebaum.

 

Once a sport ATV gets on the market the manufacturer's r&d is minimal to say the least and in some cases simply non-existant so your point was??? The real r&d has always been made by aftermarket companies, i guess you just havent been in this sport long enough to notice it...

Im sorry to tell you but you are making it very easy for me to do so...Especially with statements like this one;

I am sorry to tell you "once again" you are wrong...Are you doing it on purpose??? It is a well known and proven fact that stock vs stock the DS650 has a greater top speed than a Raptor and most Raptor owners will admit to it...

Since there is no way for me to know what the max rpm was in our final run you wont be able to calculate anything...Let's just say that theorically 17 front and 41 rear sprokets is the gearing you need to hit 100mph on a stock Banshee and we werent anywhere near close to being able to pull such high gearing with it.

 

After a quick search in the bomber section, I found no factual eveidance that a stock ds will 100% beat a stock raptor top speed. It is close, but not guaranteed. I did find something interesting, though. This was posted by AZSand who claimed to have hit 120mph. and A 500lb ds can do 120mph, but there is no way you could get a rappy over 100mph, right?

 

Azsand is talking about sand drag racing his post has nothing to do with top speed...By the way Azsand has about 10Ks in engine mods, he can hit 120mph if he wants to.

As for the 115mph stock Ds, ya my 15 year old neighboor has one too...

 

All three of those quotes were taken from a thread on ds top speed. And check the comment on how it's a "stock bore" engine. See, this is what I was talking about, you don't read my whole thread before you start running you mouth. And reguardless whether he was talking about sand drags, or top speed, he still broke 100mph with a stock bore 650cc 500lb current production sport quad. Said MOST of it has to do with shaving fenders, and proper gearing. HMMMMMMMM, kinda sounds like what I've been saying all along about the ds rival.

 

there isn't anything stock about his engine except the bore and stroke of it. no stock raptor has enough power to pull 85 even with shaved fenders. If a stock raptor can't hit the rev limitor with stock gearing, what makes you think that it could pull higher gearing? Hell piped raptors barley hit their rev limitors with stock gearing from what I have heard.

 

Lmao...Azsand stock bore Ds without NOS dynoed 73hp at Fourstroke wars, yeah i guess we can call it stock, what do you say craZ400???

craZ400 look at the post from Wiscrambler in the same thread where he says that with stock gearing and 22 inch rear tires he is close to hittin the rev limiter but doesnt and hes still ways away from 100mph...

 

He was on NOS at 4-stroke wars, and where do you keep getting this stock raptor crap? After going back and rereading everything, I realized, I NEVER said anything about stock when I made the it'll break 100mph statement. It had just been so many posts before you brought it up, I just took it for granted you knew what you were arguing about, that was my fault for believing a fool. And roost, quit being the fool that follows. With all the HPs in the world, a rappy can't break 100mph with stock gearing and rev limiter. Without the rev limiter and proper gearing the rappy CAN BE MADE, i.e. with mods, to brake a hundred. Is that a more correct statement. That is what I was trying to get at in that original statement. And you still don't read my posts very well if you got that I ever said "stock in there. And this was posted in the same thread, but I don't see you jumping all over him for saying his rappy did 98mph with just gear changes. You just seem to have this problem with me for some reason. It's ok man, calm down, I'm smarter than you, but you'll live. Nothing I have stated is impracticle, or improbable, and definitely not impossible. Even johnnysplat came around after awhile. He finally saw that I was not the one saying the Z could go 75mph. And that it can go 71mph when conditions are right, which in Fairbanks we rarely see wind, and we have a mile long dirt runway on the back side of base that we can run on. Now I'll sit and wait to see what your next problem with me is, it'll probably something else taken out of context, if it's something I said at all

 

Ok i took the time to read the thread in question so lets clear things up a little...

1.None of these guys except Azsand have hit 100mph and his Ds was miles away from stock at the time and he has put thousands of dollars into it since then, stock bore doesnt mean stock engine there are stock bore stock stroke Banshees outhere hitting 95Hp...

2.None of these guys are running stock DS's except Wiscrambler wich admits not hitting his rev limiter while only reaching 82mph...Do you really beleive there is much more to gain once you dont reach the rev limiter anymore??? A few mph yes, 18 no chance in hell.

3.Outside of Wyoduner and Wiscrambler the others do not provide proofs of anything, it is all "should, could,heard of,maybe etc..." Although i have no problem beleiving Azsand's claims.

4.Someone in this thread quotes the owner of CT Racing this is what he had to say;

You me not find me beleivable but maybe you will beleive the owner of CT Racing...

Next time you choose a thread to relate to at least try to pick one that will validate your claims not the other way around...