HOW TO JUMP
Nov 11, 2005 | 12:19 AM
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Wow, after reading this all I can say is be sure to have someone there that can drive you to the hospital or call for an ambulance and make sure they have a video camera.
It's all about feel and control. The only way to get that is by practice. Not every jump is the same and even hitting the same jump can produce different results.
It's all about feel and control. The only way to get that is by practice. Not every jump is the same and even hitting the same jump can produce different results.
Nov 11, 2005 | 01:10 AM
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Originally posted by: Sparky8370
Actually, isn't it the other way around? I know I've always heard it the other way around. The only way to ever effectively test this would be by getting massive air. You know, like a 7-10 second hang time.
Originally posted by: MarkFiddling
When in the air and you feel the quad "dipping" foward, hit the rear brakes, which causes the back to go down at a faster rate than just tugging the handlebars. When your in the air, and you feel like the back is going too far back, then hit the throttle.
When in the air and you feel the quad "dipping" foward, hit the rear brakes, which causes the back to go down at a faster rate than just tugging the handlebars. When your in the air, and you feel like the back is going too far back, then hit the throttle.
Nov 11, 2005 | 01:23 AM
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lol......violin......ah ha
Just start small......and wait until you feel comfortable on that jump........then either make it bigger or go to a bigger one......and repeat the process........
Always safe to have a friend there too....with a phone handy.......and wear your helment!!!!
Just start small......and wait until you feel comfortable on that jump........then either make it bigger or go to a bigger one......and repeat the process........
Always safe to have a friend there too....with a phone handy.......and wear your helment!!!!
Nov 11, 2005 | 02:10 AM
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The best thing to do is find the hugestest jump possible and approch it in 5th gear topped out. When you get about 3 seconds away from the jump let off the gas completely and lean forward. When your in the air SLAM on your brakes cuz like violin said, that brings your rear end down. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] No actually dont listen to anything i said there. Those instructions are pretty close to what it would be to do a front flip though. Seriously.
When your in the air the gas and the brakes act similar to the way they would on ground with traction. Just in a different way using different principles of physics. There is a WHOLE lot to jumping that you would think if you really want to hit some big jumps but for what your doing this is my advise.
Aproach the jump in the "attack" position: arms bent, butt off the seat, and leaning slightly foreward. Slightly. Some of this is going to be natural, some wont be AT ALL. Use your head though. So when you are at the base of the jump (incline) stay on the throttle if you really want to jump and not just float off the jump. Acceleration is important when trying to shoot off a jump as well. Like said before, "blip" (short burst of thumb action: use what feels necissary) the throttle till your rear wheels are almost in the air. I usually let off the throttle almost completelly and then once the quad has reached the highest point of the arc blip the throttle once or twice. Just a short push of the thumb. If you stay on the gas all the way through the jump your might stay fairly level but you will most likely hit the rev limiter. With a raptor, your front end is pretty light. Letting off the gas when your in the air is going to help your front end come down a little but this is most important if you are doing a double jump. START OUT ON SINGLE JUMPS. Start small. WORK YOUR WAY UP. When landing it landing with your rear wheels a little early with soften the landing but landing on all four tires at the same time seems to be smoother, or lest jerky and I like to do that. Its also better to do for most double jumps. I prefer giving it a little gas right before, i mean RIGHT before you hit the ground. Helps soften the landing A LITTLE.
What you want avoid doing is what I stated first. Sometimes on big jumps that your trying for the first time its easy to go fast at first but back off the gas too much before you go off the jump. Since your tires are SLOWING DOWN your front end is going to dive noticeably and you will probably panic in the air and watch as your front tires hit the ground first and your rear end slams down or if your really did a crappie job you might get your bumper to hit the ground first. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] If you hit the rear brake it will do it even faster. Experiment with hitting the gas when your in the air. It DOES help bring your rear down. Like you said use your legs as suspension. Thats obvious. I wouldnt try locking your knees on a landing. OUCH! Make sure to think when your in the air. Your not screwed if you feel your nose about to dive. Its not easy at first but if your learn to use your throttle when your in the air you can usually almost correct. Well I hope you can understand that and I hope it helps. Does everything look right guys? Heck of a long post...[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif[/img]
There you have it. StrongTyer's "short" guide to jumping.....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
When your in the air the gas and the brakes act similar to the way they would on ground with traction. Just in a different way using different principles of physics. There is a WHOLE lot to jumping that you would think if you really want to hit some big jumps but for what your doing this is my advise.
Aproach the jump in the "attack" position: arms bent, butt off the seat, and leaning slightly foreward. Slightly. Some of this is going to be natural, some wont be AT ALL. Use your head though. So when you are at the base of the jump (incline) stay on the throttle if you really want to jump and not just float off the jump. Acceleration is important when trying to shoot off a jump as well. Like said before, "blip" (short burst of thumb action: use what feels necissary) the throttle till your rear wheels are almost in the air. I usually let off the throttle almost completelly and then once the quad has reached the highest point of the arc blip the throttle once or twice. Just a short push of the thumb. If you stay on the gas all the way through the jump your might stay fairly level but you will most likely hit the rev limiter. With a raptor, your front end is pretty light. Letting off the gas when your in the air is going to help your front end come down a little but this is most important if you are doing a double jump. START OUT ON SINGLE JUMPS. Start small. WORK YOUR WAY UP. When landing it landing with your rear wheels a little early with soften the landing but landing on all four tires at the same time seems to be smoother, or lest jerky and I like to do that. Its also better to do for most double jumps. I prefer giving it a little gas right before, i mean RIGHT before you hit the ground. Helps soften the landing A LITTLE.
What you want avoid doing is what I stated first. Sometimes on big jumps that your trying for the first time its easy to go fast at first but back off the gas too much before you go off the jump. Since your tires are SLOWING DOWN your front end is going to dive noticeably and you will probably panic in the air and watch as your front tires hit the ground first and your rear end slams down or if your really did a crappie job you might get your bumper to hit the ground first. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] If you hit the rear brake it will do it even faster. Experiment with hitting the gas when your in the air. It DOES help bring your rear down. Like you said use your legs as suspension. Thats obvious. I wouldnt try locking your knees on a landing. OUCH! Make sure to think when your in the air. Your not screwed if you feel your nose about to dive. Its not easy at first but if your learn to use your throttle when your in the air you can usually almost correct. Well I hope you can understand that and I hope it helps. Does everything look right guys? Heck of a long post...[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif[/img]
There you have it. StrongTyer's "short" guide to jumping.....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Nov 11, 2005 | 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by: Bradracer18
One more thing to mention to the very good post above.......is be sure to watch landing while on the gas.......you can snap chains that way......
One more thing to mention to the very good post above.......is be sure to watch landing while on the gas.......you can snap chains that way......
By the way, Bradracer, you should get some pictures of your predator up. It sounds pretty nice. Not to mention the 250R with the crotch rocket engine. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Nov 11, 2005 | 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by: strongtyerYFZ
The best thing to do is find the hugestest jump possible and approch it in 5th gear topped out. When you get about 3 seconds away from the jump let off the gas completely and lean forward. When your in the air SLAM on your brakes cuz like violin said, that brings your rear end down. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] No actually dont listen to anything i said there. Those instructions are pretty close to what it would be to do a front flip though. Seriously.
When your in the air the gas and the brakes act similar to the way they would on ground with traction. Just in a different way using different principles of physics. There is a WHOLE lot to jumping that you would think if you really want to hit some big jumps but for what your doing this is my advise.
Aproach the jump in the "attack" position: arms bent, butt off the seat, and leaning slightly foreward. Slightly. Some of this is going to be natural, some wont be AT ALL. Use your head though. So when you are at the base of the jump (incline) stay on the throttle if you really want to jump and not just float off the jump. Acceleration is important when trying to shoot off a jump as well. Like said before, "blip" (short burst of thumb action: use what feels necissary) the throttle till your rear wheels are almost in the air. I usually let off the throttle almost completelly and then once the quad has reached the highest point of the arc blip the throttle once or twice. Just a short push of the thumb. If you stay on the gas all the way through the jump your might stay fairly level but you will most likely hit the rev limiter. With a raptor, your front end is pretty light. Letting off the gas when your in the air is going to help your front end come down a little but this is most important if you are doing a double jump. START OUT ON SINGLE JUMPS. Start small. WORK YOUR WAY UP. When landing it landing with your rear wheels a little early with soften the landing but landing on all four tires at the same time seems to be smoother, or lest jerky and I like to do that. Its also better to do for most double jumps. I prefer giving it a little gas right before, i mean RIGHT before you hit the ground. Helps soften the landing A LITTLE.
What you want avoid doing is what I stated first. Sometimes on big jumps that your trying for the first time its easy to go fast at first but back off the gas too much before you go off the jump. Since your tires are SLOWING DOWN your front end is going to dive noticeably and you will probably panic in the air and watch as your front tires hit the ground first and your rear end slams down or if your really did a crappie job you might get your bumper to hit the ground first. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] If you hit the rear brake it will do it even faster. Experiment with hitting the gas when your in the air. It DOES help bring your rear down. Like you said use your legs as suspension. Thats obvious. I wouldnt try locking your knees on a landing. OUCH! Make sure to think when your in the air. Your not screwed if you feel your nose about to dive. Its not easy at first but if your learn to use your throttle when your in the air you can usually almost correct. Well I hope you can understand that and I hope it helps. Does everything look right guys? Heck of a long post...[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif[/img]
There you have it. StrongTyer's "short" guide to jumping.....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
The best thing to do is find the hugestest jump possible and approch it in 5th gear topped out. When you get about 3 seconds away from the jump let off the gas completely and lean forward. When your in the air SLAM on your brakes cuz like violin said, that brings your rear end down. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] No actually dont listen to anything i said there. Those instructions are pretty close to what it would be to do a front flip though. Seriously.
When your in the air the gas and the brakes act similar to the way they would on ground with traction. Just in a different way using different principles of physics. There is a WHOLE lot to jumping that you would think if you really want to hit some big jumps but for what your doing this is my advise.
Aproach the jump in the "attack" position: arms bent, butt off the seat, and leaning slightly foreward. Slightly. Some of this is going to be natural, some wont be AT ALL. Use your head though. So when you are at the base of the jump (incline) stay on the throttle if you really want to jump and not just float off the jump. Acceleration is important when trying to shoot off a jump as well. Like said before, "blip" (short burst of thumb action: use what feels necissary) the throttle till your rear wheels are almost in the air. I usually let off the throttle almost completelly and then once the quad has reached the highest point of the arc blip the throttle once or twice. Just a short push of the thumb. If you stay on the gas all the way through the jump your might stay fairly level but you will most likely hit the rev limiter. With a raptor, your front end is pretty light. Letting off the gas when your in the air is going to help your front end come down a little but this is most important if you are doing a double jump. START OUT ON SINGLE JUMPS. Start small. WORK YOUR WAY UP. When landing it landing with your rear wheels a little early with soften the landing but landing on all four tires at the same time seems to be smoother, or lest jerky and I like to do that. Its also better to do for most double jumps. I prefer giving it a little gas right before, i mean RIGHT before you hit the ground. Helps soften the landing A LITTLE.
What you want avoid doing is what I stated first. Sometimes on big jumps that your trying for the first time its easy to go fast at first but back off the gas too much before you go off the jump. Since your tires are SLOWING DOWN your front end is going to dive noticeably and you will probably panic in the air and watch as your front tires hit the ground first and your rear end slams down or if your really did a crappie job you might get your bumper to hit the ground first. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] If you hit the rear brake it will do it even faster. Experiment with hitting the gas when your in the air. It DOES help bring your rear down. Like you said use your legs as suspension. Thats obvious. I wouldnt try locking your knees on a landing. OUCH! Make sure to think when your in the air. Your not screwed if you feel your nose about to dive. Its not easy at first but if your learn to use your throttle when your in the air you can usually almost correct. Well I hope you can understand that and I hope it helps. Does everything look right guys? Heck of a long post...[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif[/img]
There you have it. StrongTyer's "short" guide to jumping.....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
the short guide ?? lol,
it makes a lot of sense to me and thank you for explaining it so well, i appreciate your time, so when im used to the feeling and concept of little air, is it the same for bigger jumps but just faster and higher, i reckon a nose dive would be pretty scary but i suppose the best thing to do is just hang on for dear life and (do a wheelie in the air) throttle it to bring the rear down, i hope this sort of stuff comes natural after practice because there isnt much time in the air for thinkin is there ?? LOL
thanks again for all the replies
Nov 11, 2005 | 05:38 PM
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Your right, there isnt a whole lot of time when your in the air. Thats why its so important to come into the jump right. Not out of control wide open throttle...although when you get really good you can go as fast.... and high/far... as you want to.
Jumping much bigger jumps is similar to smaller jumps and the same principles apply but its even more important to stay balanced in the air. When your going off a jump that your trying to get big air off of your most likely giong to be going fast off the jump so you will have more momentum. I think this can make the quad feel lighter in the air and there is more risk of losing control. With shorted jumps you doesnt matter as much. For example. Say you go off a ten foot jump and your nose begins to dive about 1/2 way through the jump. You will probably be ok even if you land on your front wheels first. If you take a 50 foot jump and your nose starts to dive it will probably dive faster because you have more momentum coming into the jump and everything will be more. More air, more speed, more distance, more dangerous[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]. Now I'm not a physics expert and like I said everything I'm telling you is my own advise and what I have learned. Some things are goingt o be different because you probably dont have the same weight or quad as me. I'm starting to question some of my statements to make sure they sound right so anyone tell me if they disagree with anything. I still have much to learn about jumping. You can listen to people's advise on the forums all day but that will only help your technique. The only way you are going to learn for yourself is if you just do it yourself and practice. Advise helps... but it cant replace experience. Thats another reason its so important to jump within your abilities. You have no idea what its like jumping 100 feet if you have only jumped 20. You may think its just more air, more speed, etc. But there is a lot of other things that come into play. A lot of it will come natural. I need to stop rambling, but the more experience you have jumping the more time you have to think (or in a freestyle atv riders sense act) while you are in the air.
Hope that helps. Hehe. Sorry for another long post. I said it was a short guide sarcasticly. You could go on about it for a long time really. What Starky said is really important too. Not every jump is the same and even hitting the same jump can produce different results.
Jumping much bigger jumps is similar to smaller jumps and the same principles apply but its even more important to stay balanced in the air. When your going off a jump that your trying to get big air off of your most likely giong to be going fast off the jump so you will have more momentum. I think this can make the quad feel lighter in the air and there is more risk of losing control. With shorted jumps you doesnt matter as much. For example. Say you go off a ten foot jump and your nose begins to dive about 1/2 way through the jump. You will probably be ok even if you land on your front wheels first. If you take a 50 foot jump and your nose starts to dive it will probably dive faster because you have more momentum coming into the jump and everything will be more. More air, more speed, more distance, more dangerous[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]. Now I'm not a physics expert and like I said everything I'm telling you is my own advise and what I have learned. Some things are goingt o be different because you probably dont have the same weight or quad as me. I'm starting to question some of my statements to make sure they sound right so anyone tell me if they disagree with anything. I still have much to learn about jumping. You can listen to people's advise on the forums all day but that will only help your technique. The only way you are going to learn for yourself is if you just do it yourself and practice. Advise helps... but it cant replace experience. Thats another reason its so important to jump within your abilities. You have no idea what its like jumping 100 feet if you have only jumped 20. You may think its just more air, more speed, etc. But there is a lot of other things that come into play. A lot of it will come natural. I need to stop rambling, but the more experience you have jumping the more time you have to think (or in a freestyle atv riders sense act) while you are in the air.
Hope that helps. Hehe. Sorry for another long post. I said it was a short guide sarcasticly. You could go on about it for a long time really. What Starky said is really important too. Not every jump is the same and even hitting the same jump can produce different results.
Nov 11, 2005 | 05:44 PM
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Oh, by the way. maybe someone can answer a question I have. When you in the air, how do you get one side of the quad to go lower and the other side higher? I'm talking about like left and right side. Not front and back. I'm not sure what exactly the trick is called. You see a lot of pros do it when they do nac nacs. Or maybe its just part of the nac nac. But it looks really cool and i want to learn how to do it. Do you have to turn the bars then push down on one side with your foot and arm and pull up with your arm one the other side? It seems like its gonna take a lot of force to get it to move and plus you have to get it to go back. But i have seen some amatures do it pretty good. Oh well. If anyone knows please let me know. I may just have to try it.