ha ha ha. Exactly. I use to be a honda guy myself. The quality is excellent, and there attention to detail is great. But there slogan "performance first" is just flat out WRONG. Performace is never first when it comes to them.
I think they make a fine product, but as far as performance goes yamaha has the nod. Its that way with street bikes too (between the two companies). It was that way with dirtbikes, and mostly still is, but there crf450 has proven to be a monstor, and a force to recon with. Hopefully this year it will be reconed with, with the new kx450 coming out and the totally redone yz450.
Honda may have had the nod for performance on the crf450, but they sacrificed what they where based off of "good quality" to get it done. I hear a lot of guys having problems with there motors on those things, oil and rings related.

 

LMAO.. Why would I be pissed?? A$$ handed to me!!?? You know what, stock for stock, the YFZ is a better bike than mine, the Raptor is a great machine also, I love the Banshee, I love the Z/KFX, but a stock DS...? Do you really think that a stock DS could beat a stock 450R through the berms?? Or in a straight line?? I give mad respect to drag DS's but in all honesty thats all they are good for. I thought about buying a DS untill a couple DS guys from your area told me to stick with my 450. Don't get involved in **** that doesn't concern you tough guy.

 

I have been watching this go on for a while now and have to say something. I love the YFZ. I bought one and couldn't be happier with it but I have to agree with 1bad450r here. You do talk out of your rear end a lot 135boom. The bike is great but has its downfalls like all others. You need to respect the TRX, its fast and has beaten me plenty of times up the hill.

 

Just a quick response. I literally have never seen a fast TRX450R. I have seen many of them on the Oregon coast. Not one of them has impressed me on comp hill. 1bad450r, no one ever said a stock DS. I simply made the point that I was outrunning piped Honda's after only a $1,000 in upgrades on comp hill. So dollar for dollar the DS is faster since the Honda costs about a grand more than a DS after you purchase a pipe for it.

I do have respect for TRX's but respect is best placed in a bike's strengths. In every race someone has to bring up the rear or there wouldn't be any winners. Honda is top notch at bringing up the rear. I respect them for that.

Later

 

BTW, SuperYFZ450. Noticed you just joined about an hour ago. Did 1bad450r pay you to join the forum and say that or are you just a buddy of his. I wouldn't count on a career in politics just yet boys. Not many serious forum members jump into a mix, handing out advice and insults in their first post.

Nice Try 1bad450r. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Also 1bad450r, look at the DS in my signature. Next time you are in Oregon at the dunes, pm me. You have a standing invite to a couple of free passes at the hill. This is your chance to prove me wrong about Hondas.

Later

 

Nice try about what a$$ hole. Yeah I'll be sure to PM you. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img] How about we go do alittle track riding in my neck of the woods?? You have the same old DS everyone else with a little coin has buddy, nothing special. Your just another example of a **** talker thinking that his bike is the best there is. Like I said before, I have respect for a drag DS. But thats all they are and thats all your bike is good for. In all honesty the DS in stock trim has definatly fallen behind in todays sport bike world and yes even behind my crappy TRX. I admitted that the YFZ will beat me stock for stock, now why don't you admit that both of the 450's will smack you around, in stock trim of course.

 

1bad,

You haven't learned to debate with civility yet. You are correct that a DS cannot keep up on the track with the 450's. It has an advantage on the endurance races like the Baja series, though. It has its place.

I appreciate your acceptance to a drag race at a future date. (I won't hold my breath for the pm though)[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

You have to admit that little stunt about getting your buddy to sign on to the forum to support you was a little transparent though. Go ahead and refute it if you feel the need. I was 21 once and I know you are just having a good time.

Carry on and have fun!

Later [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

 

HAHA.. You know what, you remind me a lot of myself for some reason. Debates are fine, I usually am pretty civil about things but when dealing with childish people like 135boom I just feel the need to fight fire with fire. However two wrongs don't make a right, so I will apologize for anything I said to offend anyone including yourself. On to my so called stunt, honestly I have no idea who superyfz is. I wouldn't hold my breath on that PM either. If I did decide to take a run with you up the hill you would have to agree to take a few laps around the track with me. My bike is not a drag machine and I know that. Now I will take a run up the hill with you on my soon to be finished 500r project if you would like, I will have no problem with that. The mods aren't super extensive but enough to where I am comfortable saying that I might just give you a run for your money. Now my main problem here has been that I dont like seeing anyone bashing anyone elses bike or seeing anyone trying to act like a hot shot or trying to act like there bike is the best. Anything can be beaten as far as I am concerned. Most of todays sport bikes are honestly to close to call. I have beaten and been beaten so I dont think that I am a hot shot. When you call my bike junk or say that buying a used honda is bad because the fenders are so badly sandblasted you are being as arrogant and rediculous as any of the other childish people that argue like this on this site. You may be older and think that you are wiser to the game than me but it really doesn't show when you are being just as immature with your bashing on hondas. You seem like good people at heart and are just trying to stick up for someone who has done nothing but make an a$$ out of himself for 383 posts. I would really like to just drop this thread and the argument because it means nothing. Give me respect and respect what I ride and I will return it. I have no beefs with you and hope to see you in the sand one day. Have a nice night.

 

Excellent Post. I do respect you now. (You have to admit the sandblasting thing was pretty funny though)

Ride on my friend![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

Wow 135boom and 1bad450r what a waste of typing. 135boom all i can judge is that your some kid that does alot of reading to pose that you own these atv's I some how doubt that you do and that u should relize all those magazines are quite a bunch of crap at times. In a real race stock for stock u will fine the the yfz has the first three gears over the 700 after that the 700 passes. U say that u "back up" your "facts" Bah your facts seem to be a bunch of sh!te cause you no nothing but numbers and magaize articles. All i can say a picture is worth a thousand words and a vid alot more. Which you have none It would also seem to me since you have so much confindence in the yfz n seem like a show off u'd b posting pictures and such if you ACTUALLY own them.