ATV batteries are cheap $45 at walmart at idle with lights on they do not even charge with ATVs. You can not put your faith in a ATV battery like a Car Battery.

A Belt drive ATV (Can,t Push start) with out a back up pull cord is just a bad idea. I left my key on camping and in the morning the battery was dead. One pull and I,m off again so if I had a 700 grizzly that situation may require a ten mile walk? Well it should not.

My friends 660 electric start did not work on morning on a winter camping trip,we both had to pull on the rope because it must have no decompression but we were off and running,not scratching our heads wondering if its the battery , solenoid or wire and hoping we had booster cables! No pull start on a 700!? whats that for, so they can cut the production cost by a couple of bucks?

 

because its useless. Have you tried pulling the cord on a 698cc without a decrompression release? It would take hercules and then some to get it to turn over.

 

Look at cold start thread, issue was resoved with 5-30CW oil.

 

Then they should put a decompression on ,I can pull over a 500 with decompress easier than my old 350 big Bear without one. Its there most expensive bike its designed to go far out in the wilderness and it only has one method of starting?

 

I AGREE WITH YOU TLC.

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Colder Than -10C (15F), 700 Grizzly fights back on startup

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Hi Fella's I'm throwing this question out to you experts, My Grizzly fights back like hell on a cold day when I try to start it, Like up to 5 mins, while the engine is turning over the starter dissengages after about 3-4 secs of cranking, It will do this about 5-7 times, When it does finally stay engaged it cranks & cranks (longer than 15sec closer to 25sec,, THE battery isn't the issue lots of cranking power)and every so often it must start to load up because it back fires & stops the engine dead ( Horrible sound ) I sure would hate to break a ring gear, Finally it fires up but won't idle I have to just feather the throttle ever so slightly for about 10 seconds then everything is good.
Yes part of the problem is I have summer oil, But -10C (15F) isn't that cold! And that shouldn't cause the starter to disengage
My 400 polaris with a weak battery will fire right up after the first 2-3 seconds of starter time, With summer oil in it (10w-40)
My 2007 800 outlander EFI Starts every time no issues summer oil,
In fact I never change the oil to a lighter Viscosity for winter driving, These bikes work harder & run hotter in the winter while breaking trail in 8-12" of snow than in the summer trail riding
I've been following this thread for some time now & I've come to the conclusion that a fix hasn't been found for this Cold starting DEMON,
Hey nieghbours to the South, I'm from Hinton, Alberta, Canada, Cold weather is a fact of life here, A bike that doesn't start in the cold 20 miles backs in the woods is no friend of mine, It doesn't matter how good it runs when its running, A 20 mile walk in the cold is still a 20 mile walk cold

 

You stated you hadn't tried changing the oil, I'm a firm believer in the cold weather 5-20 oil fix. It appears to fix my cold start issue. Your description is exactly like mine. It would act like it wanted to run as long as engaged the starter once I let off on starter it died. Another thing I noticed is that if you open throttle just a bit and crank it would help. Again changing the oil and riching the mixture should be done prior to anything else.
Dealer stated last month when I had them do the oil change again for cold weather (which they keep in stock now) that the cranking speed and oil pressure sensor are effecting the cold start problem. They also state that the throttle postion sensor has been a problem on some of these.

My experiance with GM as a mechanic when they went to computerized fuel delivery systems mainly with carberators was the same throttle postion sensors, they always required adjustment. They tell the computer how much fuel to deliver based on a voltage level.

I should try my ATV, my back has been acting up so haven't rode it and we are down into single digits again so it's a good time to test it out. I'll check it out and post if I have any troubles.

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: smokin black


Hi Fella's I'm throwing this question out to you experts, My Grizzly fights back like hell on a cold day when I try to start it, Like up to 5 mins, while the engine is turning over the starter dissengages after about 3-4 secs of cranking, It will do this about 5-7 times, When it does finally stay engaged it cranks & cranks (longer than 15sec closer to 25sec,, THE battery isn't the issue lots of cranking power)and every so often it must start to load up because it back fires & stops the engine dead ( Horrible sound ) I sure would hate to break a ring gear, Finally it fires up but won't idle I have to just feather the throttle ever so slightly for about 10 seconds then everything is good.

Yes part of the problem is I have summer oil, But -10C (15F) isn't that cold! And that shouldn't cause the starter to disengage

My 400 polaris with a weak battery will fire right up after the first 2-3 seconds of starter time, With summer oil in it (10w-40)

My 2007 800 outlander EFI Starts every time no issues summer oil,

In fact I never change the oil to a lighter Viscosity for winter driving, These bikes work harder & run hotter in the winter while breaking trail in 8-12" of snow than in the summer trail riding

I've been following this thread for some time now & I've come to the conclusion that a fix hasn't been found for this Cold starting DEMON,

Hey nieghbours to the South, I'm from Hinton, Alberta, Canada, Cold weather is a fact of life here, A bike that doesn't start in the cold 20 miles backs in the woods is no friend of mine, It doesn't matter how good it runs when its running, A 20 mile walk in the cold is still a 20 mile walk cold</end quote></div>


Basically, If you haven't tried it with cold weather oil in it, we don't want to hear the complaints. If you have this issue AFTER you've put cold weather oil in it, then we can start your troubleshooting from there. (ie; valve adjustments, fuel air mixture)

 

My grizz damn near would not start in cold weather, when it did, was very hard to keep running. After reading here, and talking to other grizz maniacs, I also changed my oil to the 5-30cw. Went out early this morn when it was -16F, and it started like it was the middle of summer. Ran great, alot better than I did out on the ice chasing snot rockets this morn. Guess I gotta agree with Hebs, change the oil and quit complaining.

 

Cold weather oil seems to have fixed the cold start issues I had last year as well. I have switched to Motul 5w40 double ester synthetic that I now use year round in both of our Grizzly 700s. And we no longer have cold weather starting issues. In fact, I left one of the Grizzlys outside overnight (locked up inside our enclosed trailer, but no insulation at all in the trailer walls or roof, and the bottled water we had in the trailer was frozen hard as a rock). I unloaded the trailer this morning when it was -1F and the same Grizzly that had given us fits at this time last year started right up like there was nothing to it at all. The lighter weight oil definitely improves cold weather starting, and I suspect there is an oil pressure sensor someplace that does not get adequate pressure quickly enough with the heavier oil.