Good Q!

Do they even sell cars without Power windows and locks anymore?

Same kinda thought anyway.

 

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no power windows but power locks.. well that was in an 05 or 05 chevi

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Terrellster

Good Q!



Do they even sell cars without Power windows and locks anymore?



Same kinda thought anyway.</end quote></div>

They probably do, but don't keep them out where you can see them. Then they get to tack on the extra cost when you're wife decides that's the car/truck she HAS to have. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]

 

They do sell new cars without power windows and door locks. we have a 2007 pontiac vibe without either and a 5 speed we purchased for shop use deliverys and such.

I like the new tech, most of the time it works better and longer between service intervals.

I do agree on recreational vehicles it needs to be tough tested and reliable which means lots of R&D before the release.

 

yamaha fans: remember yamaha came out with the titanium valves before honda. infact in desert racing they would replace them with steel. honda initially had steel in the 04/05 450Rs then changed to titaniumin in 06; to follow the YFZ.
not knocking either as ive owned both and would buy both brands again.

im all for EFI. i grew up with carbs, had enough of it. rebult them, cleaned them changed them on everything. my truck is 2007, fi, 4x4 has 300+ hp and gets 20mpg. fairly decent for a fullsize 5500+lb vehicle with an open, air drag bed (no bedcover). id like to see that form the carberated era. it never happened for anything we had, any make, any model. id buy a 700R this is the only case ive heard of it messing up. The only carberated quad im going to have will be the 250R. Everything else will most likely be FI from now on. If you know how to work on it- it isnt a big deal.

if a weedeater had FI, it would be in my garage.

the real drawbak to electronics is the spying they do on you. there has been documented cases of black boxes in vehicles that have sent people to jail for (rightfully so) hit and runs, etc. GM and all the OEMS put these in and they are under no obligation to tell you where it is or remove it. It may even be looped into to a law to be illegal if removed or may not run right. If you bought a car/truck in the last 10yrs, chances are, you have one.

by the way, you know you can get a 400cc, 450cc, and 500cc kit for the 350 raptor...may have to look it up as the warrior though.

 

People get too hung up on the technology changes and say "I used to be able to fix this on my ???" Well that's a bunch of crap. I'm also tired of hearing about Honda quality because they use carburated low-tech suspensions. No one wanted to spend a Sunday sitting in the driveway trying to get a carb tuned so the family car would run. Changing spark plugs and cap and rotor every year. Setting the timing, vacuum leaks at the base of the Q-jet and transmission fluid changes every other year. Also no one wants to work on quads every two weeks so they can go riding. Modern cars have no maintenance. No sparkplugs, batteries, alternators, points, yearly maintenance to do. 100K mile change outs on most parts. Only a small percentage ever did their own maintenance anyway. Other than lights, wipers and tires what parts are required to changed in the first 100K miles on any new car? And tires last 50-80K miles now. With the great old Bias Ply tires that lasted 20K miles everyone was much happier? You very seldom see a car along side the road with a flat today. In the 70s it common place to see flat tires everytime you got on the highway. People tend to forget how poor the old stuff really was. And there are nearly twice as many people in the USA today over 40 years ago and each of them drives 50% farther than 30 years ago. There is no reason for a normal new car to run 150-200K miles before a major component failure. In the 70s it was closer to 80-100K miles.

As for the Pontiac Vibe/Toyota Matrix options, just another example of Synergy (sic) where they can use the same parts on several model of cars. The car companies can sell power windows cheaper that giving the option of manual, as all the parts are the same. The same door panel, no cut outs for the switches to cover up, only one window regulator, all the same wiring, no mess ups in production, only one wiring schematic and fewer parts to warehouse.

I haven't been into quads that long but considering the manufactures have and they all know how to manufacture at the lowest possible prices they are not increasing the price without a great deal of thought. And besides, I like the power steering and fuel injection. After I flip my wheeler over on a hill and have it land on me. I enjoy the power steering and nice even power transmission for the remaining 50 miles until I get back to the pickup to drive to the hospital with my 3 broke ribs, broke thumb and crushed leg. Other than having the plastic rivets pull out on the front head light area and a slightly bent front brake lever there was no damage. It just lay there upside down running until someone else came along to turn it off.

I do believe all the vehicle manufactures are building what they want and not what the consumer wants. Someone earlier stated increased horsepower is eating up the increased performance of EFI. I would love to go back to a subcompact car that weighs 2400 lbs and has 110 HP. But all the cars now weigh 3000 lbs and are 150 HP. The government increased the safety standards like air bags and now to get the same performance the HP has to be increased. I would really like to see a small 4 or 6 cylinder diesel in a 1/2 ton pickup. Why only in heavy duty ones? Diesel gets 30% more power per volume. That would decrease out county's consumption buy how many barrels of oil a day? Why no small diesel cars? VW has been making them for decades.

I just recently bought a 07' Pontiac G6 with no options. It had been sitting on the dealer lot for 11 months. I would suspect no one wanted it as it was a 4 cyl engine or since it did not have cruise control. Well $200 fixed the cruse control issue and the 4 cyl gets 34 mpg. An example of no one wants a no option car without remote door locks, satellite radio and all the other fluffy stuff that breaks. That is why the dealers and manufactures bring on the high tech gadgets.

 

I agree on the diesel in small vehicles, europe is way ahead of the game on that one. Most midsize trucks(Tacoma, Frontier, etc) are only available as diesels in certain areas. 40-50mpg. Who needs 250+hp in a midsize? Buy a fullsize if you need that much power. Everything is getting bigger and more powerful, and yet fuel is more expensive, fuel will eventually run out(it won't last forever), and yet manu's are still making things bigger etc. While a shift IS occuring to put out more compact cars/vehicles, North America needs to pick up the pace a little.

And I am NOT bagging on big trucks, there is a place and use for them. But I know most ppl don't really need big vehicles, I don't want to buy a 3/4ton just to get a diesel truck.

-Krait

 

Does anyone really miss trying to set the gap on a set of points?

 

To the guys that want Diesel's in 1/2 ton's (and others) don't worry your day (and mine) are comming. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]