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Old 05-15-2002 | 01:54 PM
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Since I paid over $6000 for my quad & have since put over $3000 into it I don't have a problem paying $10 for a yamaha filter every 20 hours. I also use Yamalube.
 
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Old 05-15-2002 | 02:10 PM
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Do you use Yamalube 10w-50 Semi-synthetic, or do you skimp and get the regular 20w-40?
 
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Old 05-15-2002 | 02:26 PM
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Right now I'm using regular Yamalube 20~40. I only have about 50 hours on my quad & I don't think you use synthetics untill it's fully broke in. I'll start using the synthetic Yamalube at around 100hours.
 
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Old 05-15-2002 | 07:03 PM
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Well I am going to eat my own words! I just saw a stainless steel reuseable oil filter on Scotts performance It's like a System 1 filter. Very cool.
They didn't have a Raptor part number but I heard they have one for the Raptor so I emailed them to get the part number & to see if there in stock. I'm getting one of those!!
 
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Old 05-16-2002 | 05:30 PM
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HERE'S SOME IMFO ON OIL AND FILTERS

Oil Filter Alternatives THERE ARE 26 OIL
FILTERS TO USE

http://forums.atvconnection.com/mess...20OIL%20FILTER
THIS IMFO HAS 24 DIFRRENT OIL FILTERS LISTED IF ADDED THE STOCK HONDA AND YAMAHA
OIL FILTERS THERE ARE 26 OIL FILTERS TO USE
SOMEONE IS USING ONE OF THE LISTED OIL FILTERS IN THIS REVIEW
(AC DELCO PF2057) AND I HAVE USED IT TOO ALSO HAVE USED A ANSMOL PT 13 IT WORKS
TOO
OIL FILTER Alternatives - Honda Motorcycles ond others
by Mike Guillory

This article was written by Mike Guillory and updated 10/2000. This post offers an interesting point of view
on OIL FILTER alternatives and has helped me to form an opinion
regarding oil filters for my bike.

Introduction
The oil and spin-on OIL FILTER are the two items which control and minimize engine wear.
Microscopic particles in the oil, if not removed, can act as
an abrasive to wear down metal surfaces. In modern motorcycle engines, like the VFR and most others, oil
passes
directly from the filter to the engine for lubrication, so a
good, properly-functioning filter is essential.

OEM Motorcycle Oil Filters
You can't go wrong using the OEM filter for your motorcycle. However, sometimes these may be hard to
find, especially on a Sunday or Monday, or in smaller communities,or you may think the OEM part is
unnecessarily expensive. Or, you may want a better filter to further
minimize engine wear. You deserve choices.

Alternate Motorcycle Oil Filters

If your motorcycle uses the Honda 15410-MM9-013 OIL FILTER (most late model VFRs,CBRs, st1100s,
etc), following are some filters which are equivalent to and possibly superior to the Honda filter. These also
fit most late-model Kawasaki sportbikes and Vulcans,plus mostblate-model Yamaha sportbikes, the
VMAX, and the Royal Star. They also can be used on the mid-80s Magnas, Sabres, Interceptors, and
Shadows.

Important: The only meaningful difference between all those shown below are external length. They all fit the
1994 to 1997 VFR, the CBR600s, and mid-80s Magnas and Sabres.
Your motorcycle's clearance and available space for a spin-on filter may be different,so you need to
consider that. The very shortest filters should fit anywhere. All threads and gasket dimensions are
compatible, all have anti-drain back valves, and all have bypass valves that
operate in the normal range of 8 to 13 psi range.

Motorcycle-Specific Filters - (About 2.5 to 3 inches long)
1.Purolator Motorcycle ML16817 about $6.00
2.NAPA Gold 1358, Carquest 85358, WIX 51358 about $7 to $8
3.AC Delco PF2135 about $10
4.FRAM PH6017A about $7

Automobile Filters - (About 3.5 inches long - fit reference 1994 Mazda MX-3, V-6 Engine)
1.Mobil 1 M1-110 about $10
2.Bosch 3323 about $5
3.Purolator Pure One L14620 about $6
4.NAPA Gold 1356, Carquest 85356, WIX 51356 about $6
5.Deutsch D-370 about $4
6.AC Delco PF-2057 about $6
7.Motorcraft Long Life FL-821 about $4
8.STP S-02867 about $3
9.FRAM, Castrol, Penske 7317 about $3

Automobile Filters - (About 2.5 inches long - fit reference Mazda RX-7 and Miata)

1.Bosch 3300 about $5
2.NAPA Gold 1365 about $6
3.Purolator L14622 about $5
4.AC Delco PF1237 about $6
5.STP S-02876 about $3
6.FRAM PH6607 about $3
Technical Fitment Specification
20 X 1.5mm threads, gasket diameter approximately 2.3 inches, O.D. approx. 2.75 inches,
length approximately 2.5 to 3.5 inches.

Author's Notes
Wix, NAPA Gold, and Carquest are identical.
FRAM, Castrol, and Penske are identical.

1.In each category, filters are shown in my perceived approximate order of quality.
But I admit that is an inexact science without actually testing all of them side-by-side.
2.The information here is compiled from many conversations with the filter manufacturers, with other
motorcyclists, fitment verification on my 1994 VFR750, and by consulting
OIL FILTER reference information published by filter manufacturers. All the automobile filters arec
ross-referenced with each other and to replace the Mazda filter shown, which is for the 1992 through 1994
Mx3 V6 engine, or various years of the RX7 and Miata engines. areown, which is for the 1992 through
1994 Mx3 V6 engine,
or various years of the RX7 and Miata engines.
3.A legitimate concern we all should have are the performance specifications. Honda apparently does not
tell companies like WIX or Purolator their filter specs. So, these companies buy examples of the filter in
question, have it tested in a laboratory,then build replacement filters to the same physical dimensions and
performance. That includes filtration efficiency and filter bypass valve pressure. Thus, there is no reason to
believe the replacement motorcycle filters are in any way different from the Honda
filters.
Automobile filters could be a different matter. However, in conversations with filter manufacturers, it
appears that filter media and bypass pressures are similar, often times
the same, and certainly overlap. So, while using an automobile filter could represent some additional
degree of risk, if you either like to avoid all risk, or your motorcycle is still within its warranty period, you may
prefer to stick with a motorcycle filter.
However, I believe the differences are only cosmetic, the risk is virtually nonexistent, and I continue to use
these automobile filters on my motorcycles. The only external
difference is that some automobile filters have slightly different lengths, otherwise they are the same size as
the motorcycle filters and function the same. The filter makers
I spoke with could not could not provide a reason why I couldn't use them on motorcycles.
4.They are very similar, at mid-rpm normally in the 40 to 70 psi range, with internal relief valves. Therefore
one can correctly conclude that OIL FILTER requirements are also very similar.
Use of an automotive filter could be a benefit, if you really want the best protection.
Newer high-performance filters like the Bosch and the Mobil 1 really are better and not more expensive.
Instead of traditional paper filtration, they use a synthetic or mixed
paper/synthetic medium that removes up to 98% of 8 to 10 micro particles, where conventional premium
paper filters only remove 70% to 90%.
5.Anyone happy with FRAM motorcycle filters are probably as well off using the FRAM PH7317 or PH6607
for about $3. However, several comments across the internet recently indicate that FRAM filters may not be
as well made as the rest and perhaps should be used as a last resort. However, I have not verified that and
it is entirely ossible that they have the best filters. But I personally will not be using them.
My thanks go to all those who provided input to this project. It is my intent to update this every 6 months or
so to keep it current. All the information presented here is
accurate as far as I know. The contents make no recommendation as to what any individual should do, only
to provide those interested with information helpful to make confident choices. I have no affiliation with any
company in the motorcycle or filter business.
Please refer to Motorcycle Motor Oil by Mike Guillory for a comprehensive review of various motor oils.
Web Master's Note

The author is a Chemist, retired from a major Oil and Chemical Company, after a career in the Quality
Assurance of Fuels, Lubricants, and Chemical products. He and his wife both ride.
Comments or questions may be sent to Mike in Houston
'94 VFR750 - "XENA"
'85 V65 Magna -"YELLOW SONIA"

Technical Corner | Main Garage

HERE ARE SOME MORE LINKS TO OIL FILTER STUFF THIS GUY CUT OIL FILTERS OPEN TO
COMPARE http://minimopar.net/oilfilterstudy.html
(Engine OIL FILTER Study)

http://www.frankhunt.com/FRANK/corve...ers.html#avoid
(Engine Oil Filters)
http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/oil_filter_study/
(engine OIL FILTER Study)
http://www.yft.org/tex_vfr/tech/oilfilter.htm (Oil Filter Alternatives - Honda Motorcycles ALSO YAMAHA)
http://www.vtr.org/maintain/oil-overview.html
(More Than You Ever Wanted to Know ABout Motor Oil)
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AC DELCO PF2057AC DELCO PF2057

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STEVE
2001 RAPTOR
2001 POLARIS SCRAMBLER 400 2X4
HONDA 300EX
50 CC E-TON, GRANDSON
 
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Old 05-16-2002 | 05:39 PM
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DELTADAWG
I USE AMSOIL IN EVERYTHING I OWN
HERES A LINK TO MOTOR OIL STUDY

http://www.vtr.org/maintain/oil-overview.html (More Than You Ever Wanted to Know ABout Motor Oil)
 
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Old 05-21-2002 | 10:40 PM
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garyc660R I went to get a Bosch 3300 filter today and they couldn't find that part #. All the filter part # for Bosch are 5 # long. Like the Fram 6607 is a Bosch 72182. Is the 3300 a standard filter or the premium one? What year is the RX7 that you used as a reference? TIA.

They almost look like the factory ones[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
 
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Old 05-21-2002 | 10:52 PM
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Where are you guy's getting your Bosch 3300 filters at? I work and Carquest and we don't have them. I checked all over town and no one has them!
 
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Old 05-22-2002 | 12:12 AM
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I bought a Bosch today. # 3323. It is the same size as the AC Delco # 2057. If you look inside, it is even stamped the same. Probably made by AC Delco. Only difference is the color. Black with orange lettering. Purchased it at Autozone. $5.49.
 
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Old 05-22-2002 | 01:02 AM
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Raptorrider2001 how is the size of the Bosch 3323 over the Yamaha? Longer or about the same? Is there any other part # on the box like 72XXX?
 


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