Honda's ATV's for 2003 on their website
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Kiwi:
I am hearing Yamaha will put their 426 engine (will be a 450 next year though) in the Raptor and the 660 Raptor will no longer be a production quad. Bombardier is going to come out with a 400 as well.
Looks like everyone wants a piece of Honda's market.
Honda has a great name, makes a great quad in the 400 and is still living off the sucess of the 250R. Do you think the market would change if the pro-class had to be of current models in production? And even further changed to four-strokes? You can't tell me Honda won't fight this kind of a change.
I can't say anything bad about the 400. I would just bet that many of the people buying them today are new to the sport. Which, in reality, the 400 is better than a Raptor, DS, Cannondale, etc. for the newcomer to the sport. I'll also say some of the guys I know that are the better riders among those I know seem to ride the 400's. I sure like the 400 better than my wife's warrior (wish she didn't need reverse.)
I am hearing Yamaha will put their 426 engine (will be a 450 next year though) in the Raptor and the 660 Raptor will no longer be a production quad. Bombardier is going to come out with a 400 as well.
Looks like everyone wants a piece of Honda's market.
Honda has a great name, makes a great quad in the 400 and is still living off the sucess of the 250R. Do you think the market would change if the pro-class had to be of current models in production? And even further changed to four-strokes? You can't tell me Honda won't fight this kind of a change.
I can't say anything bad about the 400. I would just bet that many of the people buying them today are new to the sport. Which, in reality, the 400 is better than a Raptor, DS, Cannondale, etc. for the newcomer to the sport. I'll also say some of the guys I know that are the better riders among those I know seem to ride the 400's. I sure like the 400 better than my wife's warrior (wish she didn't need reverse.)
#22
The difference between the 400 and the Raptor is essentially the motor. I said the first day I got my Raptor, that it's like a 400 with *****. (I also owned a 400 at the time).
Wait until you ride an 'uncorked' Raptor.
I ride a dirtbike in the summer and the quad in the winter. Today I broke my decomp lever on the bike and had to take the quad.
I am still amazed at how much power it has for a quad. Ripping along the trails, you can easily loft the front wheels in 5th! Hillclimbs in the sand are a blast with power to spare.
I can see the pure mx riders wanting a 250R or lagers framed quad, but for the mixed environment rider, the Raptor is hard to beat.
RM
Wait until you ride an 'uncorked' Raptor.
I ride a dirtbike in the summer and the quad in the winter. Today I broke my decomp lever on the bike and had to take the quad.
I am still amazed at how much power it has for a quad. Ripping along the trails, you can easily loft the front wheels in 5th! Hillclimbs in the sand are a blast with power to spare.
I can see the pure mx riders wanting a 250R or lagers framed quad, but for the mixed environment rider, the Raptor is hard to beat.
RM
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thefasterthebetter,You can't possibly believe that Yamaha is going to discontinue the Raptor after 2 years. They have way too much money invested in R&D, Tooling, Advertising, ETC to discontinue it. Raptors will be around a long time!!
If they come out with a 426 based quad it would probably be built to compete with a C'Dale Moto440 not the Raptor or 400EX. But I wouldn't hold my breath!!
There is a pro production class. You must use the stock motor (with mods of course) & the factory frames. This is to get riders to get the new models out & race them. Honda would be the first to support these rules. They don't make a single Yen from pros racing 250R's!!
These new rules are our only hope of getting the YZ426 & CRF450R in a quad this decade without building one ourselves.
If they come out with a 426 based quad it would probably be built to compete with a C'Dale Moto440 not the Raptor or 400EX. But I wouldn't hold my breath!!
There is a pro production class. You must use the stock motor (with mods of course) & the factory frames. This is to get riders to get the new models out & race them. Honda would be the first to support these rules. They don't make a single Yen from pros racing 250R's!!
These new rules are our only hope of getting the YZ426 & CRF450R in a quad this decade without building one ourselves.
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