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Old 04-09-2011 | 05:00 PM
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I am looking for some help here. My next door nieghbor is a single mother whos ex hubby bought their son a little chineese quad. It has been sitting for two years because it would not start. She asked me to try and fix it as she sees me rebuilding snowmobiles, seadoos and stuff all the time. Now this thing looks and even smells brand new. It has been sitting in the garage. I got the battery charged up and it just clicks when you hit the start button. I was thinking it was the solenoid. So I tried to jump out the solenoid with a screw driver and I get nothing not even a spark. The fuse looks good, the brake light lights up good and strong and even the alarm works. When you try to use the remote to start it, it just clicks. The solenoid clicks. That is why I thought the solenoid was bad. Is there another way to get this starter to crank over? I ordered a new solenoid for 7.99 so I guess it should be here in a few days. But I have been reading some posts on here and everyone says to jump out the solenoid...I had tried that and get nothing nada zip. Any Ideas? what do these things do when the starters are no good? Why doesn't such a little quad have a pull start?
 
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Old 04-09-2011 | 05:02 PM
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Default oh it is a SunL SLA 109

sorry for got to put it on the last post
 
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Old 04-09-2011 | 05:18 PM
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Chineese quade, sitting 2 years.
= old gas and dead beyond repair battery.
Clicking is solonoid not getting enough juice.
Clean carb and gas tank, then try boosting it with old battery attached.
 
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Old 04-09-2011 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 450kodiak
Chineese quade, sitting 2 years.
= old gas and dead beyond repair battery.
Ok....Maybe you didn't read my entire post?....I have a good battery and have no gas in it I am just trying to get it to crank. I already cleaned the carb. Battery is good and strong just no cranking. Alarm works, lights work just a click when pushing the start button. Solenoid clicks. When I jump the solenoid I don't even get a spark let alone get the engine to turn over.
 
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Old 04-09-2011 | 05:29 PM
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you need to measure the voltage coming out of the battery(stagnant and then under a load(load test), then out of the solenoid, then on to the starter. sometimes these batteries, even though you said you charged it, will sometimes have a cell "die" under a load and cause the 12.4v to dive off to 4.6 volts, therefore, not having enough juice to barely make a click. this has been my experience with the chinese quads.
 
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Old 04-09-2011 | 06:26 PM
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Ok for chits and giggles I took off the chrome cover on the starter. Well, what I found was the windings from the starter motor were coming apart and jaming (between the windings and magnets)the starter and keeping it from spinning. I cleaned the magnets and took out all the loose wire bits and re-assembled it actually cranked a couple times before the starter jammed up again. I am ordering a new starter. So it will have a new starter and solenoid...Then we can see if it has spark. I was pleased to see the gas tank was empty so the carb was not to dirty (I did clean it and make sure the jets are clear). Since I got it to crank, I know the engine turns freely. So when the starter gets here I can check to see if it has spark. It ran when it was last put away but then they started having the starter issue. Hopefully this gets it running for them. It still doesn't explain why I couldn't jump out the solenoid...not even a spark? odd. Thanks for the help and I shall keep you guys posted on the progress once the parts show up.
 
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Old 04-09-2011 | 11:13 PM
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After reading your initial post my first thought was that you had a bad battery - just like 450Kodiac and Jaster94 said. The quad has been sitting for two years. I think it is a reasonable assumption that the battery hasn't been kept up with a maintenance charger (you did have to charge it after all), and so the battery is likely ruined. You can't leave a lead-acid battery sitting discharged. The fact that it runs trivial loads like alarms and lights means nothing. Starters draw ten times that current or more, and stall under load if the voltage drops below 10 volts.

Definately having windings in the starter coming apart is significant, and the starter needs to be replaced. After you replace the starter I am hoping everything will work and your starter motor will crank over fine. But I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't. You can always jump the quad to your car (or any other 12 volt battery) to see if the battery is now the limiting factor.

Please do keep all of us informed of your results. I'm very curious, and your experience will help both us and many others down the road...
 
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Old 04-10-2011 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by LynnEdwards
After reading your initial post my first thought was that you had a bad battery - just like 450Kodiac and Jaster94 said. The quad has been sitting for two years. I think it is a reasonable assumption that the battery hasn't been kept up with a maintenance charger (you did have to charge it after all), and so the battery is likely ruined. You can't leave a lead-acid battery sitting discharged. The fact that it runs trivial loads like alarms and lights means nothing. Starters draw ten times that current or more, and stall under load if the voltage drops below 10 volts.

Definately having windings in the starter coming apart is significant, and the starter needs to be replaced. After you replace the starter I am hoping everything will work and your starter motor will crank over fine. But I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't. You can always jump the quad to your car (or any other 12 volt battery) to see if the battery is now the limiting factor.

Please do keep all of us informed of your results. I'm very curious, and your experience will help both us and many others down the road...
I was told by the woman who asked me to look at it, was that they recently put in a new battery thinking that it was bad. So, the batterey is fairly new. The quad was sitting for two years and when some warm weateher came along they tried to get it running once again ...hence the new batterey.
 
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Old 04-10-2011 | 11:20 AM
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Default does anybody have a manual for a SLA 109 SunL quad?

I am trying to order the correct starter for this thing and so far I think I found it for 19.99. But it says it is a # 08. The picture looks right but the measurement that they show is too small compared to what I am needing. But the SunL parts site only lists 2 starters and the other one definitely is not the right one. ANy Help would be great!
 
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Old 04-10-2011 | 01:34 PM
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I had the same problem with my 2000 polaris 325 magnum the starter went bad and did not crank. But if you tap it while trying to start it should crank.
 


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