LOL, do you fight with everyone on here maddog??? I have been reading your post in the (spin zone) thread. LOL!!!! You are telling people to bring it on and basically making a fool of yourself..... Just as you have done in this thread.... And the only problem I have with the English language concerns YOU!!!! That is I don't know exactly what your problem is, but I bet it's hard to pronounce!!!!!
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why cant we be friends , why cant we be friends, (remember that song) lol come on you guys the 400ex wasent designed as a race quad (if it was the engineer should be shot) and the 250R was designed as a hard core high performance quad. so there its settled. if you got money you can turn any quad into a champion ship wining bike but lets stick with what they were originally made for. and that is two different things

 

The EX uses about the same chassis as the R and has the XR400 engine and was never inteded to be raced? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]

All I can say is that the R has not faired well locally. Ride what you want.

 

Not tryin't to get in the middle of this, but you have to mod a 400EX just as much as you have to mod a 250R to get power on the level of the new 450s. In the chassis department, I'm one of those who believes you still can't beat the geometry of an R. Any 400ex that can even come close to the front of the pack in an MX race will usually be sporting a 440 kit with many mods. And most 250Rs at the front will have some motor work done too. In the end, like you said Raptorlegs, ride what you want. But I think these little rivalries we get into sometimes are what make this sport so damn fun!

 

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I'll see your [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
And raise you two more!
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It doesn't take much to get a stock 250R to hang with a new 450. I've heard all this crap about new 450's beating fully modified
265's and all this crap and it's a load of garbage. If that's true then that 265 isn't even putting 5 lengths over the stock machine.
A stock 250R with a TT pipe will run almost neck and neck with a new 450 in the 100m and 300m races and also have close top
end speeds. The problem with the 250R and Banshee is that there are so many aftermarket companies making top ends and individual
parts for the machines that no one knows what's actually good and what's not. I've seen intelligently built 265PV's hang with
very modified YFZ's believe it or not. And then in the same hand I have seen some brands of 330's out there that seem to be barely
faster than stock. Maybe these people are mixing parts wrong or something...who knows. In the same hand, there are 330's out there
that absolutely no one can touch...yes, that includes fully modified 450's with big bore cylinders. I think what a lot of people forget is
that even though a company's name may be big...they might not be very good at all. Same thing goes for magazine and Internet reviews.
Another reason there are too many slow modified two strokes is that they aren't built properly. Two stroke engine design is critical...if you go buy a 330PV from curtis sparks it would kick some serious serious butt, but if you don't have the proper carb to go with it or maybe change the pipe or have a poor design of reeds for that engine, you will slaughter the true potential of the machine instantly. All engines, but mostly two strokes, have to be setup correctly in order to get the true power out of them. Watch races for awhile and check out what people are using on their two strokes...you'll see a lot of big brand name machines that are unbelievably slow...but then again you might find Bob who knows and understands two stroke engines and designed it himself and no one can catch him even though he has the same bore and stroke as the others may have.

 

I like apples! Oranges give me heart burn.

Why can't we be friends. Why can't we be friends. Man I'm getting old to remember that song, just in case anyone is curious the song was by WAR.

Kinda like what going on in this thread.

 

I'm not the type of guy that bases my opinion of a quad by drag racing because ,well, thats not what the 250R was built to do. But this weekend I went riding and dragged my fathers new DS650 he just got that is piped and jetted. From a dead stop it was no comparison....my 250R spins all the way through 3rd gear with fresh holeshot tires and he would kill me by 2 bike lengths. But with both of us on a rolling start ( so that I wouldn't spin) I blew him away by a bike length or two every time. Granted my R has motor work, but c'mon, it was a piped DS 650!