hey dodge57hemi, anything done to your truck?

 

It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that a single will not run with a twin but there is a couple of advantages to single over a twin 1st is ease of maintenance 2. engine longevity (less moving parts to fail) 3. is compact making the machine lighter more rider friendly 4. singles are known for there torque which a 4x4 needs not a high revving motor as a twin will provide. The 700 Grizz is a superb engine esp for a single this basically the same engine found in the Raptor 700. Both the Grizz and the Raptor are the #1 selling bikes in there respective classes. So you tell me if the 700 engine is not refined enough for you. As far as the Suzuki is concerned its a good bike but I am a bigger fan of Yamaha engineering therefore went with Grizz. At the time the Grizz was the only bike with Power Stearing it also has a larger Gas tank,4 wheel dis brakes,I like the wide ark A arms found on the Grizz with better ground clearance. There is two things I wish Yamaha could do like Suzuki and that is engine smoothness very smooth engine for a single.And third a handlebar mounted light. As before good luck with you choice in a bike both will seve you proud!

P.S. There will always be Ford vs Chevy fight and this would be the same reason I drive a Dodge

 

haha, not where i was going with that. i've got one too.

 

Just a couple of points on Hemi's post. I don't think you can necessarily say that a single cylinder engine is high torque and a twin is high RPM power. It depends on the engine. Look at a Yamaha YFZ 450 with its single cylinder that has a very short stroke and big bore piston, that makes high RPM power. In general I think you could say a parallel twin makes high RPM power, but a v-twin can make good torque, and can be as good as a comparable single cylinder. Take a look at the Kawasaki V-twins, which make excellent torque. Also take a look at the Arctic Cat ThunderCat, which makes oh my god torque everywhere in the powerband. That ATV will pull out a stump at just above idle. The Can Am v-twins make good torque, with at least as much power down low as a Grizzly, but they make a whole lot more power everywhere throughout the rest of the powerband.

Also, I don't think you can generalize and say a single cylinder requires less maintenance than a twin. That would be like saying a car with a V-6 requires less maintenance than a car with a V-8. Yes, technically it is true, because there is that one less spark plug to change with the ATV, and two less spark plugs to change with the car. But that is a pretty minor advantage that is gained at the expense of a lot less performance. For most maintenance items, such as cleaning the air filter, changing the oil, lubing the chassis, etc. there is no difference because of it being a single vs a twin. Other items like adjusting valve lash are not typically done by the average ATV owner, but are done by the dealer one time at the 20 hour service. And if you're thinking about engine rebuilds, and changing pistons, rings, etc, those are not typically done by your average ATV owner either. At least I'm not going to be going into the motor of my ATVs. I would take it to the shop. And as far as number of moving parts goes, each cylinder of the twin is going to have the same number of parts (roughly) as each cylinder of the single. So a twin doesn't wear out twice as fast as a single, that would be like saying two singles parked next to each other are going to wear out twice as fast as either one will by itself.

DV

 

Tho your first statement is true to a point, comparing a 450 to a 700 single is not the same thing. A 450 was designed to replace two stroke motors with lighter weight parts that have less rotating mass for higher RPM's. Any large singe is of totally different design and the only thing the two have in common is that of the 4 stroke nature of the engine. Any large 4 stroke single by nature will always produce more torque than a similar size V engine simply due to the fact of the long stroke and big piston. (They call these engines thumper engines for a reason. One way of looking at this simply by looking at the trucks we dive today for example a Ford Power Stoke engine lets say 7.3 V8 vs. a Dodge Cummins 5.9 I6 tho the I6 is missing two cylinder as compared to a V8 the I6 produces about the same amount if not more torque, at a lower RPM to boot. This is the same enalogy that can be used with a single vs v twin in a atv.

As for the mount of moving parts in a engine a single engine has close to half the moving parts af any V engine. Look at the any I6 vs V8 again for this analogy. Think about it on any V motor you have close to twice of everything a single has, Valves, Pistons Chain and Cams so forth and so on.

I do work on my own engines and if you do have a engine failure of any sort I would not want to be the one paying for the twin motor. Most of us cant afford to take our quads somewhere to have them fixed therefore the shade tree mechanic will have a much easy'r time with a single at have of the ownership repair costs! I am not in any form trying to knock the Kawi or Can-Am twins. Superb engines they are, but it's not just the engine that makes the bike!

 

It pretty much is... there was some trouble with the frames back in 06 but that was about it. Don't forget that all of their quads also come with a 3 year warranty, so if anything does go wrong with it, it's pretty much all covered for the first 3 years. And yes, when were buying ours, we read the fine print and know what it says.

Our 08 has been bulletproof, everyone who I see up @ my cottage riding the trails I usually stop and talk to for a minute, all of the guys riding Outlanders are happy with them and are still in LOVE with the power that that V-twin makes... seems to be the same thing from the Brute Force owners also! haha.