Why do you think refinery's haven't been built? When you answer that question, you will realize we aren't evening arguing[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Nice ending there buddy.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

 

I don't understand why you are so offended by gas prices going up yet you don't care one bit about people who are investing making decent returns again?

What makes you selective in your compassion?

 

Wow did this take an ugly turn. Well I blame it all on the spotted owl!!!

 

DSNut,

Only people who already have an excess of cash on hand have the ability to invest and hope for a return based on an interest rate. 90% of the population (not a real number) does not have the money for any kind of investment if anything but real world goods. So your statement about interest rates is only relevant to people with a wealth of money - or at least enough to invest in something. The other thought is that if home interest rates are higher, that is likely where all the payouts are coming from for the other investments. (Not based in fact, but speculation.) Most of the non-wealthy people aspire to just owning a home or apartment of their own - meaning they get to help pay the returns on someone else's 'investment.' All of which I'm sure you are aware of. So the main point goes back to 'investments' are really only something people of more wealth have and the rest of the little people struggle to pay for gas to drive to Taco Bell.

 

This was a much better way of saying what I was thinking.

Nut, I am not judging you. You state your opinion, and I state mine. You think gas prices are ok, I do not think they are. I might not be as good with my vocabulary and grammer as you, so I cannot say things like you do. Also, I insinuated nothing. Stop trying to get more out of a statement than was there. Over the weekend prices skyrocketed on wire. You cannot know everything, as I dont either. If you knew this, good on ya. If you didnt, take it and save yourself a headache on your next job. Its all good. I believe it all comes back to fuel. If fuel prices were not so high, other products would not be as well.
As for my being slective. One, some people cant afford to drive to the dunes to enjoy. While others are worried if they make an extra penny on there dollar they dont even need. Two, its classic rich vs poor. I may not be poor, but have been at one time. I remember the struggles, and have sympathy for those that are there now.

 

I agree that we have a difference of opinion and I am fine with that. The only BS I see in this thread is the class warfare. Politics is full of people trying to pit the rich against the poor and trust me when I say, nothing positive or constructive comes from it. I don't like terms like "excess cash". If I have some extra cash, it is because I worked hard for it. There is nothing wrong with being wealthy.

It is very unpopular to take the position I am taking but it is what I believe to be right. The number one reason people struggle to make ends meet in this generation is the victimization attitude. If someone turns you down for a loan on a house, some accept that and continue to live in an apartment that makes them no money. If you or I get turned down, we go try again until we find a way to make it happen. We are not victims. We have unlimited opportunity and it bothers me a lot to hear people say some greedy rich person is holding them back and making them poor because it is the very attitude of not taking control of you destiny that will keep that person poor.

Now that I have said that, I have allowed you to refer to my "rich ****"............if you knew my income and my mandatory expenses, you wouldn't call me wealthy. I am at the start of my career and I owe far more than I am worth just so I can leverage better things for later. I scramble every month to meet all my commitments. I may be wealthy some day but it is because I work hard and I take big chances. I have more potential to be very poor than I do to be rich but I am going to take my best crack at it.

 

And that is exactly what I wanted to say, but could not figure out a way to say it so well. Everytime I tried typing it up, I sounded like some kind of real ****.....I completly agree with this. Everything, including riches is something that is achivable. You just have to be willing to work hard, and take some risks. The real issue is truely in the way that people my age (27) and younger think that everything should be handed to them, and they should have to do nothing. I have worked my butt off in all weather climates, building custom metal buildings, and been the one trying to find good help. And it is not like I was looking for cheap labor. I was paying around 10-11 an hour 5-6 years ago. That was some serious money, and we worked 6 days a week, and close to 10-12 hour days. Figure what kind of pay check that would be. There were weeks and months where some of the peeps on my crew would clear more money then I would.....If you want it, go get it. I don't agree with the current price of gas, I do think the supply and demand is part of it, but it would not have been had the green peace freaks caused all these problems.

Oh yes, they do help with some aspects. All the new immsion laws have greatly reduced the air polution, but now with out that in the air, you are getting hit with more deadly rays from the sun....Choose your ending....Death by smog, or cooked untill you are extra crispy. There is good and bad to everything is my point. And I still think the Spotted Owl is to blame [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

DS
your quote
"We have unlimited opportunity and it bothers me a lot to hear people say some greedy rich person is holding them back and making them poor because it is the very attitude of not taking control of you destiny that will keep that person poor."


Ever hear of Enron

 

Nut, I can agree with that. I did assume, and that is wrong. You do act like one who is well off with your comments.

I know where your coming from. Some people do think that its the rich peoples fault. Actually its the bosses fault. There making all the money and starving there employees. Sqeege makes a good point, things that happen like Enron, World Com and the such put such a bitter taste in your mouth. Rich people screwing everyone else.

I do believe everyone had the opportunities to do with there life anything they want. It just takes work. I live by a simple phrase that Og Mandino wrote"Rich people are those who take the risks that the poor people are afraid to take."

 

Let's see!! No Pain, No Gain

There are those exception, where the company really did a number on thier people, and that is crap. Those are people that usually worked hard, and did not get what they erned. But that is still in the maybe 5% group...And my guess would be more of them then not, have since found thier feet and are back on track. You have to live life with the glass half full outlook. Be positive and believe that you have control over the important things in your life. The only things we cannot always control is what the idiot in front is doing. I personally feel that I never have that issue, as I believe myself to be in the lead!