I like what the President said to us last time the prices went so high.

"If you dont need gas dont buy it."

I wonder how long it took him to come up with that answer ?????????????????????

 

Blackhawk - I appreciate how well thought out your post is.........in contrast to the ignorant political hit and runs.

I have a serious question though about corn based fuels. How efficiently can they be made? How much land does it take to grow enough corn to make a gallon of fuel?

The reason I ask is to know if there is physically enough acreage to meet demand as we transition away from gasoline.

The irony that we may be tearing down subdivisions and strip malls and otherwise shrinking the urban growth boundries to create more farm land to grow corn for fuel is not lost on me. lol[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

I am all for a transition of some kind. Anything supplimenting the supply of gasoline or that offers an alternative will slow the increase in gas prices.

I'm for it![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

Alky is crummy fuel (Energy wise) and always will be. The energy transfer is 1+ to 1 so you save nothing. It takes as much energy to make this stuff as to use it. It's even worse than propane and that sucks too.

Here is the answer to your question BlackHawk. For some reason my puter won't link this morning.
http://www.e85fuel.com/database/search.php

 

Now that would be Daja Vu. lol. =]

 

The point is not how much energy it takes to produce it, but rather where its being produced. Doctorturbo, a step in the right direction is a good thing. Until we find vehicles the run on water, I doubt everyone will be satisfied.

 

E85 Fueling Locations

 

DSNut,

We can fuel all the vehciles in the USA right now from corn stalk waste - NO CORN!. Courtesy of the Discovery Channel!

 

I never thought of that. Would running E85 in our cars be similar to running alky in our bikes? basically alky is half the cost of race gas but you use over twice as much to do the same amount of riding.........so it is a net loss as far as cost of fuel is concerned.

I am not saying E85 will have this same disadvantage. I am asking[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

Recently on our local PBC channel they showed that rainforest is being leveled to allow corn crops to grow for the growing demand for ethanol

 

Not the point at all. If it takes as much energy + some more to produce hooch fuel whats the point? It takes a ton of energy to turn a sugar slop into ethanol. Wy not just use that energy to drive on? We don't make energy; we just change it's form.

Not only that, but your little 40MPG hooptie car will now get around 20MPG and the ethanol will cost as much as as the expensive gas.
There is not enough land in the world to produce enough hooch for everybody to drive on.

The best thing to do with ethanol is drink it. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]