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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 01:03 PM
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Hell, 400 bucks in NOS equipment, and you can have your 180 on any machine, right!!!!!!!!

Dont argue that SST, its been done!!

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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 01:44 PM
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If that guy wanting the 18+ swingarm gets the 250 motor to work, you'll all be switching over to that. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

 
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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 01:44 PM
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SST how fast do you think a stock busa motor in a DS will go up a large dune or a hill like sand mountain where it can stretch it's legs a bit.

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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 01:55 PM
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yes, $400 in nos equipment and you can have your 180hp out of 750cc's. of course you will have to run back to camp to refill every 10 minutes and you will burn down a top end should your secondard nitrous fuel system go lean for some reason and you will of course chance grenading it.. again quadbart I was not attacking you or your bike when I made that comment about rear mounted fuel tanks and dont think I have even seen your bike before unless it was on ebay about a year or so ago and was sold unfinished?. I refered to my own rear mounted tank in that statement and yes I think its a half *** way to do it and wont do it that way again. it also adds 30lbs of suspended weight all the way at the rear of the bike that has to go up and down quickly everytime you go overe a whoop. might as well strap a car battery to the back of your seat. also, if you are attempting to sarcastically quote me regarding rear mounted fuel tanks please feel free to speak your mind and it wont hurt my feelings at all but please at least spell "embarassing" correctly if you are quoting me. LOL . nice looking bike though.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 02:07 PM
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depending on the rider and hill, very high 70,s probably completely stock. my turbo bike did sand mountain its first time out at 87.would easily have been a mid 90's bike if I had kept it another month or 2. my goal is 100 up sand mountain nv on my next one . thats only 13mph more than the last one did.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 02:47 PM
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Im so embarassed.

No, thats not the unfinished bike that was on ebay some time ago. Dstroyer and I built that in his shop.

But thank you SST. I thank you so much for imparting your words of wisdom on me and pointing out my spelling mistake. Not only did I spell it wrong once, but I spelled it wrong TWICE.
You've saved me from a world of spelling embarassment.

How can I ever repay you?

Im so sorry I spelled a word wrong. Can you forgive me?

 
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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 03:22 PM
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Every 10 minutes back to the camp to refill!!, I wish it were that long. LOL A 2.5 lb. bottle only gets you about 20 - 25 seconds at a 60 shot on an iline 4.

A note on the Busa motors though.

Yes, the rods are good to 350 hp, IF you lower your compression!!! Either pistons or a base place. Spacer plate is the cheapest way to go, but works just fine. Also, if you want 350 out of that motor, you will at minimum, need to add the spacer plate, change the head bolts to aftermarket studs for higher torque, add stiffer clutch springs, (which will barely hold that power, I promise, rather install a progressive lockup clutch in my opinion), add a support plate to the sprocket cover to keep it from breaking, and a cometic head gasket to keep it from leaking. Also, when running the spacer plate, you will need to re-degree your cams with using some adjustable cam sprockets. (these things are all available at APE. Now keep in mind, depending on the turbo you choose, the stock Busa fuel system(fuel rail and injectors) is ONLY good for 270 - 275 safely!!!!!! If you run a stage I system, you will NOT get the 300 that people claim. If you do, your going to run unsafely lean. The stage II systems take care of that problem to get over that mark. No matter what turbo system you run on it, to get the 350, your going to need a water injection system, or intercooler, along with some sort of race fuel.

just a littel tid bit of info for you up coming busa guys!
 
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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 03:45 PM
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quadbart, oboy! a made another pal! again , you were the one who started it dude. what else did I have to confront you about but your spelling? LOL, I had no idea who you even were when you started swingin away at me for no reason. anyway , what it all boils down to is this. I am proud of what I do. I have been doing it a long time and was around the sport when the whole conversion idea started . if someone wants my opinion and I dont like what they are doing I wont spare feelings and let them do it in a way that I think is poor or unsafe. the way this whole thing started was when someone who shall remain nameless was explaining to a new comer about how most streetbike conversions are done with the fuel tanks in the rear. several people asked me to chime in so I did and gave my opinion on what they were speaking of. one of the things was rear mounted tanks which I stated were a half *** way of doing it and stated that I was embarrased to post pics of my own bikes with rear mounted tanks. how do you quadbart or dstroyer see this as a personal attack on you? thats how I feel and I will say it again. I personally think rear mounted tanks suck. why go through all the trouble of converting a quad just to go half azz at the end and build a shoe box on the back to put fuel in?? if you aren't capable of building your own front mounted tank, take your nearly completed rolling chassis to a local fab shop and pay them to build a tank for you. maybe $300?? big deal. anyway no need to take it personal guys . it wasnt meant to be and was in no way dirrected at you or your bikes which I had never seen before. if your rear tanks are some sort of a "sensative area" for you maybe you shouldn't read this stuff. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]
 
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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 03:59 PM
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Geeeeze Super, we got it, move on buddy!!!! Im quite certain Quadbart was using humor in his reply to you. YOU seem to be the sensitive one!!

For the record, I never mentioned to bombrider that everyone is sticking the tanks back there. He asked me where I got them, and this was my response. "Yes, I did make the fuel tanks on all the bikes. I make them out of Stainless steel now, and they are tucked under the shroud where the stock tank sits"

Since that was my response, I saw no reason to not post the PM. So, you did get your panties all in a bunch over nuttin. ( i mean nothing)

Gary,

Its a beautiful cold day here in Wizconsin, relax folks,

 
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Old Jan 31, 2007 | 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by: DStroyer
Every 10 minutes back to the camp to refill!!, I wish it were that long. LOL A 2.5 lb. bottle only gets you about 20 - 25 seconds at a 60 shot on an iline 4.

A note on the Busa motors though.

Yes, the rods are good to 350 hp, IF you lower your compression!!! Either pistons or a base place. Spacer plate is the cheapest way to go, but works just fine. Also, if you want 350 out of that motor, you will at minimum, need to add the spacer plate, change the head bolts to aftermarket studs for higher torque, add stiffer clutch springs, (which will barely hold that power, I promise, rather install a progressive lockup clutch in my opinion), add a support plate to the sprocket cover to keep it from breaking, and a cometic head gasket to keep it from leaking. Also, when running the spacer plate, you will need to re-degree your cams with using some adjustable cam sprockets. (these things are all available at APE. Now keep in mind, depending on the turbo you choose, the stock Busa fuel system(fuel rail and injectors) is ONLY good for 270 - 275 safely!!!!!! If you run a stage I system, you will NOT get the 300 that people claim. If you do, your going to run unsafely lean. The stage II systems take care of that problem to get over that mark. No matter what turbo system you run on it, to get the 350, your going to need a water injection system, or intercooler, along with some sort of race fuel.

just a littel tid bit of info for you up coming busa guys!
dstroyer, no need to lower your compression to run 300hp. I personally buy my dyno proven turbo kits from the guy who I have personally delt with for 15 years or so and who has been turbo charging streetbike longer than anyone else in the world. Terry Kaiser who owns MR, Turbo has turboed streetbikes since 1980 and knows more about the subject than anyone . I run a cometic spring steel head gasket and ape nitrous studs and head nuts but NO spacer plate. I also run a full "300hp" on on the stock fuel rail and injectors all day long with no problems. everyone thinks that you cant run the fuel injectors at 100% but you can. I run a special 55 pound fuel map and yes I am running on the upper limit as far as the fuel system goes but the exhaust gas analizer doesnt lie and Im not lean at any point. my kit is dyno proven to make every bit of 300 rear wheel hp at 15lbs boost. I personally wouldnt run any turbo kit at any amount of boost without race fuel and only run vp c16 which is a turbo /nitrous fuel thats actaually 118octane and has detonation inhibitors and is good to over 30lbs boost. all a water injection system or intercooler does is cool the intake air so that it hasnt expanded from heat before it enters the combustion chamber. either one will add about 10% more hp but arent required to make 350hp or more. bikes without intercolers or W.I make 500hp. also you forgot to mention heavy valve springs are needed at 15psi and above or else you can blow the intake valves open.
 
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