never said you said anything to bombrider about tanks, bombrider posted this ,"and the people who have done the conversion place them where the airbox usually is."
and thats when I responded with my comment about tanks and when you and your buddy bart started playing dogpile on the honest guy. Oh and I see you like my panties comment huh? you can use it if you like[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
anyway this is wasting to much of my time. its noon here and I still havent wandered out to the shop yet . you guys say what ever crappy stuff you like about me and I will respond tonight. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] and all you guys building ds based street bike conversions can of course do what you like. but think long and hard before you do it because you will of course be stuck with the results and probably dont want to go through the time and expense of doing it twice if you arent satisfied with the first one... good luck on what ever you do and feel free to PM me with questions as always and I will be glad to help if I can. I will be here. Gregg

 

12 psi will make 300, 15 will make 350. Yes, you are DEFINATELY running that fuel system to its maximum. If your comfortable with that, than you have at it!!! Personally, if I was going to MAX OUT any system to get a few more ponies, I would just upgrade the fuel system. Sounds a little more safe to me. Same thing with running 350 ponies without a spacer plate. With the valve springs changed, head studs, and cometic gasket, you are pushing the envolope where for 36 bucks, you dont have to!! Hate to have to go back in the motor because of 36 dollar part.

I know of Mr. Turbo, and the things they has accomplished. You seem to like dropping names. Although I really dont post along the same guidlines you have, LOL, but I am a Velocity Racing dealer!! Im sure you have heard of Velocity?? Maybe havent been around since the 80's, but sure seems to have the record for the fastest run in the 1/4 with their turbo system. nuff said.

I disagree with you on the water injection or intercooler. Show me 1 single 500 hp inline 4 without one of these systems?? If you can point one out, I will admit you are right. LOL

Anything else we should discuss Gregg? Personally, I like the color purple more than yellow. I bet your going to say that yellow is better than purple. LOL

Gary

 

I remember seeing this thought I would post it. This came from hillbilly,pilot. No mention of water injection or intercooler. Maybe he left it out.....................


specs, 1300cc hayabusa, PCT ported head, PCT cams,Titanium valves,Titanium valve springs, APE nitrous cylinder studs, Falicon crank, Corrillo rods, ARP case studs, ARP rod bolts,mtc forged 10.5to1 pistons, Billet 4 spd transmission, APE deep stack billet clutch basket with PCT lockup.
Garrret gt35 turbo, Fogger nitrous system, MSD MC4 ignition,Redline data log computer, Turbo smart digital boost and nitrous controller.
PCT EFI with launch control and auto shift.
40mm Solid grade 1 Titanium rear axle, Fireball Quad pinch 5 lug wheel hubs,EK 630SHB drive chain 18,900lbs rating, PBI/Fireball 630BB drive counter sprockets, Rebel Gear 630 rear sprockets, Fireball YFZ long travel front A arms 12.7 inches travel. Fireball +16.5 oval tube ladder type swingarm. PCT tandem Fox air float rear suspension, Fireball 4130 chassis. Mr Turbo intake system and exhaust manifold
35psi boost 11,400rpm 531RWHP 326FT tq, 643RWHP and 356ft tq on nitrous.
This bike was Roger Winigers (Fireball racing owner) dream bike, He gets 100% credit for the conseption of this machine.
PCT built the engine and did some critical chassis setups to support the hp, did all the electronics and launch control systems.


This is the turbo, nitrous, busa banshee built by pacific coast toys. Way over 500hp!!!!
Dont beat up on me guys I just like to watch the argument[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]

 

LOL, no beatin up. LOL

That machine has everything man!! Wish I had those deep pockets. I absolutely love that machine. I wish it would hold together at them higher HP's though. Im sure they will get it worked out. Cant wait!!!!!!

Well, if that guy isnt running an intercooler, or water injection, then I guess it doesnt need it. LOL

Ive really enjoyed this thread with Super, I hope alot of people are taking notes on this stuff, there has been a ton of research done with this information. I drive my wife nuts with it sometimes. I dont pee unless I know exactly which angle, velocity and bandwith, its going to be first. LOL

Gary

 

I read it took about 75k to build that monster and it cost anywhere from $8 to $8000 to run on any given weekend................. Deep pockets indeed!

 

I should restate what I meant about the water injection, or intercooler above. I meant to say, if he isnt running it, I would be SURPRISED, but guess it wouldnt be needed. As Super stated above about exactly what those systems do, for a mear 250 bucks, you can cool the intake track thus creating more hp with less heat in the cylinder, which equals safer operations also, why wouldnt you add it after spending thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars on the motor??? Thats what I meant to say.

I did check out some pics of the PCT machine to see if it had either of those, but couldnt tell from the side of the bike that was available. The reason I did this was, I have some photos of a huge project quad that Velocity Racing did for someone. I originally thought it was the PCT machine, but when I reviewed the photos, its a completely different quad. So, I have no idea who created this machine that I will put a link to at the bottom, but this thing is fantastic!!!! Give me a few minutes to put the pic up on photobucket, but check it out. For those of you looking to build from scratch vs. modding your existing quad frame, check this out.!!!!!!!


http://s179.photobucket.com/albums/w313/gixxergary/

 

Dstroyer, I have to add a little somthing something about your intercooler thoughts. Air to air intercoolers at best are 60% effecient. Water injection is better, nitrous is even better. They do not need to have any of these to create power, but, anytime you can lower your intake charge, you one, create more power, and two, lower the point of detonation. Very good fuel can solve every issue associated with running high boost, besides mechanical issues. I personally, run a large intercooler on my turbo snowmobile. We have the advantage of cold air to help the effeciency. I dont know how good they are in 90 degree heat though.

I have a question. How are guy's figuring your boost HP? At what percentage rate of increase is the boost adding to the stock engine? For example. My stock engine in my snowmobile, a R1 based engine, is rated at 150 hp at 10,500 rpm. It increases about 6.8% for every pound of boost. Of course elevation still takes a toll, but you get the point.

And last but not least. There is a fairly large advantage to keeping as much compression in the engine as your fuel will allow. Less lag, better throttle response, more torque, are all advantages. Of course, when doing the turbo, people need to understand the fuel requirements, and build the engine and turbo system, to allow the amount of boost desired for the fuel they choose to run. Cant make the same power with pump gas, as a good quality race fuel.

Any thoughts?

 

viper,

I see you have the rx1!! I have some expierience with that machines suspension system. The first year it came out, we were contracted by (cant say the name for certain reasons) to build a billet aluminum adjustable front end for that thing. It worked out great and dropped 8 lbs off the bike. Anyway, Since I have never dynoed any atv or motor for that matter, I go by what the experts say for HP and boost percentages. 10.5 - 12 hp per psi on the busa stock compression is exactly what was explained to me. So your right on the money. I would think that would go for other motors also. I think 10 - 10.5 is probably realistic.

So, you think that the water injection or intercooler arent needed if you run high enough octane fuel? Great, now Im going to be searching that tonight, thanks. LOL I will call a guy tomorrow and see what he has to say. Maybe you guys are right!! But for a few bucks, it seems silly to not. Unless Im missing something, is there any way the high octane fuel with the cooling of the intake air can work for a negative affect??? I will have it on my stage I. Its not needed for that low of boost levels, but Im going to fab all the brackets while its being built, instead of modding for it later when I up it to a stage II.

Gary

 

The PCT BUSA runs on methanol at that level of boost.

 

my friend next door did a complet turbo on his car intercooler bigger turbo more boast only thing he did wrong was didnt change is injecters and melted a piston about 6 weeks after doing it =(.you dont have to run a intercooler on all turbos reason is the distance from the turbo outtake to motors intake the longer it takes for air to go from turbo to engine heats up the air and can cause problems.if race fuel solves this i think it may i know it can go in engines with higher compression and heat ranges so its possible.but to be save i would put one on any way it gets more power =) and lowers the chance of engine failer =).i also would change injecters to keep from having the problem my friend did with his car its been 7months and the cars doesit look like it will see the road for a few years =(.