maybe so but the way you stated it was putting me down no matter what you really meant,i rode it once and the guy rode my raptor and really loves it. i paid no attention to the 4 wheel drive because it didnt ride like one. and i got alot more than 8500 in it and you've lost me on the 20k drag bike.these forums are for friendly opinions and help,not a pissing contest. quad prices and everything else is different in different parts of the world,and yea,i could get 6 grand for my raptor. sorry for your loss though bro.