Originally Posted by DesertViper

All this talk about the Renegade 800 might just be old news in a few months. Dealers have started ordering their 2012 Can-Am ATVs at this point, but they cannot place an order for an 650cc or 800cc ATV for 2012. Can Am has something "new and exciting" to announce at their dealer show in July. This dealer show is being held in Canada for the first time, and they are making the dealers get passports to go to the show. Its supposed to be a lot bigger deal than usual. There is talk of Can Am putting the 1000 cc Commander motor in the Outlander and the Renegade. Perhaps they would then sell a 500cc and a 1000cc ATV, with just maybe a new 750cc ATV in the middle. There is also talk about an all new chassis for the Outlander and Renegade. I have heard mention of a new tubular steel chassis, and Can Am also has their Al-tec chassis on their DS 450. Imagine a 1000cc Renegade that has 20 more HP, while weighing 100 lbs less because of an all aluminum al-tec chassis. Ok, we probably wont see that one, but Can Am has big plans for 2012 it would appear. Oh, and there is supposed to be something big and new with the Commander as well, perhaps a pure sport model to compete with the Polaris Rzr 900 XP and the Arctic Cat Wildcat 1000.

Originally Posted by beergut

I really think 800-850 is the perfect big-bore size. Still pretty good on gas and it generates gobs of power. My 800x gets better milage then a sp500- we both topped off, he was under 1/2 tank and I was over 3/4 full still- both thanks are about the same size and he was behind me the whole night riding the same exact terrain.
Those rotax motors rock!

Originally Posted by Specta

Been there done that.

Originally Posted by beergut

I thought I read that the 1000cc is only going to be offered in their 2012 sxs lineup- not in their atv's... yet. But that would be sweet if they did

Not that there will be too many lined up to drop $15k on a 1000cc atv that only offers 10 or 15 hp over the 800-

I have to agree with specta on this one- the 70+hp in my rene 800x is way way way more than anyone will ever need to tackle any terrain out there- all I see a 1000cc doing is reducing my ride time with gas fill-ups.

I really think 800-850 is the perfect big-bore size. Still pretty good on gas and it generates gobs of power. My 800x gets better milage then a sp500- we both topped off, he was under 1/2 tank and I was over 3/4 full still- both thanks are about the same size and he was behind me the whole night riding the same exact terrain.
Those rotax motors rock!

Originally Posted by DesertViper

They used to say that the 500cc ATVs were the perfect "big bore" size, with the perfect mix of power and fuel mileage.

I'm happy with the fuel mileage on my 800cc Outlander. I spent last saturday on the Arizona strip, trying to keep up with a Polaris Rzr 900 XP on the fast whooped out roads in the area. We did a 90 mile ride, and I used 3.6 gallons of gas. That makes for 25 mpg out of the Can Am 800, not too bad in my opinion. And I found out that my Outlander's top speed is 79 mph, and the Rzr 900 XP's top speed is at least 80 mph. The Rzr might have had more in it, but the owner was trying to break it in "gently", LOL. I also found out that the 14" of suspension travel that the Rzr 900 XP has can blow away the best suspended utility ATV on the market in the whoops.

Originally Posted by beergut

I never thought 500 was big enough - I was always looking for more power until I owned an 800 I know what you're say'in, but I (personally) do not need a machine that can go 80mph- I think at that point, can-am is missing the market by focusing more on "extreme atv'ers" and not so much on the average trail rider. Honestly- can you imagine an obsticle that your outty will be under powered?

my biggest concern with the sxs's is the inability for the rider to use his body to control the machine- a big part of an atv's stability is directly related to the rider and how he positions his body- and since those sxs (razors) are based on an atv platform, you lose a lot of that stability on a sxs- especially over woops and carving through tight trails.
I seriously considered buying one about a year ago- then started researching them on youtube and google- and when those sxs get away from you- it aint pretty. I love the agility of riding an atv. You're not recovering from a bad launch 10' in the air in a razor- at least not like an atv can. You basically just hold on and hope it does not hurt too bad when you hit the ground.

Originally Posted by MooseHenden

The stock RZR does have a lower center of gravity than a quad but, as you say, pretty tough to assert body English on it. The RZRs and RZR XP negate the problem with the wider stance of the wheels but then become useless for New England and any other place with 50" width restrictions.

Originally Posted by TLC

The funny thing is Can-AM make Ski-Doo snowmobiles, 70hp is Can AM bad boy in ATVs but a 70hp snowmobiles is considered a entry level. Can Ams bad boy snowmobile is 140hp. Even more back when they where 2 strokes.