My guess is Beergut had something to do with the problems.

 

I went to my local Can Am dealer a couple days ago and was informed that the 2012 800 Outtie is over 720 pounds dry. That little tid-bit of info really made his last 2011 800 XTP sitting there in the showroom look a whole lot nicer! It was "only" 669 pounds. So that means that the 2011 800 is faster than the 2012 800 I would guess?

And I believe there is a difference in a 600+ pound bike versus a 700+ pound bike. That extra hundred pounds can mean all the difference when it comes to wrestling the bike into position on a trailer or if you ever have to lift it back onto the rubbers!

 

The one time my Outlander did a backflip on a nasty hillclimb, and ended up pinning me underneath it, I was pretty glad it "only" weighed 669 lbs. Those things get real heavy when there on top. The good thing about padding their landing though, is that you can flip a quad and not cause any damage other than a broken handgaurd.

I've ordered a 2012 Renegade 1000 XXc that weighs 687 lbs. Hopefully the extra 18 lbs wont kill me someday.

 

The difference is only 51 lbs. I think that would be a lot more noticeable on a 500 than Can-Am's 800. Did they increase the 800's output at all? I didn't read or see anything that said they did but I do miss more than I see sometimes. If they bumped it up a couple hp it should make the weight difference negligable. My own thought is that if they made the frame stronger than the previous spar I don't mind the extra weight. Just my .02 worth.

 

I'm seriously thinking about a Renegade 1000 XXc also. Waiting until Wednesday to see what Polaris is offering before I make my decision.

 

Yeah, your right. It's only 51 pounds in this case but the 1000 cc is heavier still. There just seems to be some kind of threshold we cross at 700 pounds. Once you go over it, you're into Polaris country where it takes three guys and a mule to move 'em around!
But, maybe in this case the extra 51 pounds is a good thing. From everything I've read lately, the biggest two concerns with the Can Am are a weak frame and overheating. If the frame is beefier and the radiator has double the capacity on the 2012, it might be worth the hernia.

 

On their bigger engined models they did have an issue with overheating. More radiator and flow the better in my book. That was one of things Polaris did with the XP. Haven't heard of anyone having an issue with overheating that I can think of.

Had to laugh at the 3 guys and a mule comment. I guess I qualify. Not saying I can throw the X2 around like a 400 lb. sporty but I do have enough weight on my gravitationally challenged frame to influence the PoPo. Maybe I'll get a t-shirt with 3 guys and a moose...

 

Like trowing around a 600lb ATV would be any easier than a 800lb one.

Onces a ATV is over 500lb its throwing you around not you throwing it around.

Actually more weight is a traction advantage. Farmer add wheel weights to there tractors, on ATV pull contest the add sand bags to the rackes to get more traction and when plowing snow with a ATV they recommend you add heavy sand bags to push the snow further before wheel slip.

Let a 800lb ATV have tug of war with a 600lb ATV and just see who would win.

 

Actually, IMO, it's a huge difference. Go ride a Brute Force, then ride a Sportsman 800. In the snow, the flotation difference is pretty big also.

Most don't do pulls or tug of war with atv's.

 

I guess you've never tried to english a PoPo onto a trailer alongside anything else. I guarantee you, there is a difference.