Gecko's + Choke Cherry =????
#21
04-22-2003, 06:33 PM
Gecko's + Choke Cherry =????
Originally posted by: KingRaptor
Seriously. Anyone who can honestly post on a world-wide forum that Geckos are good sand tires has no business giving out advice on sand tires, period. Do they work in the sand better than knobbies? Yes. Are they a good sand tire? Absolutely not and anyone telling you that they are a "good or better" sand tire do not have any experience with sand tires, period.
Seriously. Anyone who can honestly post on a world-wide forum that Geckos are good sand tires has no business giving out advice on sand tires, period. Do they work in the sand better than knobbies? Yes. Are they a good sand tire? Absolutely not and anyone telling you that they are a "good or better" sand tire do not have any experience with sand tires, period.
#22
05-05-2003, 01:38 PM
Gecko's + Choke Cherry =????
King
I do not work for kenda and am not brand loyal to any tire or ATV mfr. I have owned almost every sport quad or 3 wheeler made from kids quads to custom snowmobile powered quads and bring 20+ years of sand duning experience to this forum. Your statement that the gecko is "the worst sand tire known to man kind" is way off the mark in my opinion. And further to say that anyone giving such advise does not know what they are talking about is a very bold statement. I have not been to St A's yet (going next month) and have seen pics of choke cherry hill (VERY impressive).
Would I say geckos would be a good tire or not for that hill-No!! Can I give general advise about a tire-YES.
In my opinion the gecko is a very decent sand tire for moderately powered recreational quads(warriors,blasters,300ex).
I had a brand new stock '01 raptor(1 tooth smaller counter spr.) that I put 20x10x10 8 paddle haulers on, when I would ride some fast trails at Oregon with high berms I usually hit the crest of the berm, kick the back end around(break traction)...this raptor would not do this with haulers. My raptor is gone now but I have a friend with a stocker, and recomended geckos. He rides the trails and these tires are well suited for this application and riding type(they climb much better than stock tires...not as good as haulers.Keep in mind this is bone stock, NOT a built 720 !! We have several blasters with Identical motor work(pipe,carb,K&N,porting etc) ... some with haulers, some with sand sharks, some with geckos. Bottom line: the haulers climb out of steep "tree holes"(straight up-no run)better, geckos do very well and make it out of most everything, sand sharks do not do as well as the geckos. We back this up when we drag race on the flats and hills. The haulers lead by a bike length or 2 depending on the hill(haulers are alot of paddle for blasters) , geckos are very close, sand sharks bring up the rear by 1-2 bike lengths. In higher h/p machines the differance would be huge. This weekend we had 3 banshees not identical but all very healthy(1 was a 400 t-rex powervalve with lectrons) the 400 t-rex had sharks the 350 had haulers...guess who won !! the 350 did easily !! (the t-rex could not get any traction). I would say the geckos hook up a little better than sharks but not as good as haulers. Geckos should not even be considered for mega h/p machines (built raptors,banshees,ds650 etc. These are serious quads=serious traction). My point is: for the average "Joe rec rider" with a mostly stock machine they will increase your traction significantly over knobbies and many of the budget sand tires. With the lower h/p machines, the h/p vs. traction factor becomes better with geckos. Haulers are heavy on the traction and need more h/p to use them effiiciantly.
Any way... to say they are "the worst sand tire known to man-kind".... Have you ever tryed the cheng shin dune slider???
Or the old kenda straight paddle(dune runner??) ?? I beleive the geckos are better than sand sharks,devils too(for most applications).
They are a good recreational tire for low h/p sport bikes. This could also change greatly depending on how/what you
ride(wet,dry,fine,coarse,hill shooter,dragracer,trails-recreational rider).
I do not want to start a flame war, but in my opinion the gecko is a good recreational tire for 40-50% less money than a skat, same money as a sand shark !!! IF it is used as it should be...low h/p recreational type riding. Any way I will see how the kids do with the blasters at St. A's on the big hills !!! Can't wait !! Check my gallery out to see what I mean by "tree shooting".
I do not work for kenda and am not brand loyal to any tire or ATV mfr. I have owned almost every sport quad or 3 wheeler made from kids quads to custom snowmobile powered quads and bring 20+ years of sand duning experience to this forum. Your statement that the gecko is "the worst sand tire known to man kind" is way off the mark in my opinion. And further to say that anyone giving such advise does not know what they are talking about is a very bold statement. I have not been to St A's yet (going next month) and have seen pics of choke cherry hill (VERY impressive).
Would I say geckos would be a good tire or not for that hill-No!! Can I give general advise about a tire-YES.
In my opinion the gecko is a very decent sand tire for moderately powered recreational quads(warriors,blasters,300ex).
I had a brand new stock '01 raptor(1 tooth smaller counter spr.) that I put 20x10x10 8 paddle haulers on, when I would ride some fast trails at Oregon with high berms I usually hit the crest of the berm, kick the back end around(break traction)...this raptor would not do this with haulers. My raptor is gone now but I have a friend with a stocker, and recomended geckos. He rides the trails and these tires are well suited for this application and riding type(they climb much better than stock tires...not as good as haulers.Keep in mind this is bone stock, NOT a built 720 !! We have several blasters with Identical motor work(pipe,carb,K&N,porting etc) ... some with haulers, some with sand sharks, some with geckos. Bottom line: the haulers climb out of steep "tree holes"(straight up-no run)better, geckos do very well and make it out of most everything, sand sharks do not do as well as the geckos. We back this up when we drag race on the flats and hills. The haulers lead by a bike length or 2 depending on the hill(haulers are alot of paddle for blasters) , geckos are very close, sand sharks bring up the rear by 1-2 bike lengths. In higher h/p machines the differance would be huge. This weekend we had 3 banshees not identical but all very healthy(1 was a 400 t-rex powervalve with lectrons) the 400 t-rex had sharks the 350 had haulers...guess who won !! the 350 did easily !! (the t-rex could not get any traction). I would say the geckos hook up a little better than sharks but not as good as haulers. Geckos should not even be considered for mega h/p machines (built raptors,banshees,ds650 etc. These are serious quads=serious traction). My point is: for the average "Joe rec rider" with a mostly stock machine they will increase your traction significantly over knobbies and many of the budget sand tires. With the lower h/p machines, the h/p vs. traction factor becomes better with geckos. Haulers are heavy on the traction and need more h/p to use them effiiciantly.
Any way... to say they are "the worst sand tire known to man-kind".... Have you ever tryed the cheng shin dune slider???
Or the old kenda straight paddle(dune runner??) ?? I beleive the geckos are better than sand sharks,devils too(for most applications).
They are a good recreational tire for low h/p sport bikes. This could also change greatly depending on how/what you
ride(wet,dry,fine,coarse,hill shooter,dragracer,trails-recreational rider).
I do not want to start a flame war, but in my opinion the gecko is a good recreational tire for 40-50% less money than a skat, same money as a sand shark !!! IF it is used as it should be...low h/p recreational type riding. Any way I will see how the kids do with the blasters at St. A's on the big hills !!! Can't wait !! Check my gallery out to see what I mean by "tree shooting".
#23
06-30-2003, 01:39 PM
Gecko's + Choke Cherry =????
For all you Gecko non believers..... My 11 year old son pulled choke cherry several times on a blaster with gecko paddles if you still are a non believer, I have pictures and witnesses. I also saw a predator w/ geckos pull choke cherry several times with no problems. My son also pulled thunder mtn. and did the left side of devils dune(easy route) that was one tough hill !!! This was the only blaster to pull choke cherry to the top (that I witnessed).....several had to take "the road of shame".
****What happened to all of kingraptors posts-talkin smack about gecko's ???? Looks like some creative editing !!!!*****
****What happened to all of kingraptors posts-talkin smack about gecko's ???? Looks like some creative editing !!!!*****
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06-30-2003, 06:20 PM
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06-30-2003, 06:23 PM
#26
06-30-2003, 06:29 PM
Gecko's + Choke Cherry =????
I agree sandman. I once saw a piped filter jetted ... blaster try banshee hill and it didnt even make it to where it narrows up. RaptorRon - Are you sure thats banshee hill that your sons blaster is going up? It dont look like the background matches the background of what you see from the top of banshee hill? From the pictures Ive seen I cannot see a blaster making choke cherry or devils dune but I may be wrong.
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06-30-2003, 11:26 PM
#28
07-01-2003, 12:02 AM
Gecko's + Choke Cherry =????
O.K.
I will re-size the pictures and put them in my gallery soon.
My sons '03 blaster is a good solid stage 2;
Powerpros pipe(super quiet silencer),K&N w/outerware(no lid),OKO 30mm carb,carbon tech reeds,porting and head mods by ILR performance,14 tooth front sprocket. He made it up on his second attempt and was in second gear by the half way mark...kept it pinned the rest of the way up (I thought the thing was going to blow...but this motor is a runner ! Thanks for the great porting Dave !!). All of our motors ran hard in those huge bowls all week and never skipped a beat (We let them cool every 30-45 minutes and made sure the main jets were very rich!!). And yes there were some 400EX's that did not make it up(not enough wheel speed=RPM's). The predators really impressed me !! little or no downshifting !!
I thought the pic of banshee hill was at the top where it widens up...But you are right the back ground does not look right. I will check my files again(I have a few pics of him on banshee hill, I remember taking them). Jason has pulled banshee several times, the picture is one of my friends son...he is quite a good rider.
Saint Anthonys is an awesome spot !! The huge bowls are the best !!!
I will re-size the pictures and put them in my gallery soon.
My sons '03 blaster is a good solid stage 2;
Powerpros pipe(super quiet silencer),K&N w/outerware(no lid),OKO 30mm carb,carbon tech reeds,porting and head mods by ILR performance,14 tooth front sprocket. He made it up on his second attempt and was in second gear by the half way mark...kept it pinned the rest of the way up (I thought the thing was going to blow...but this motor is a runner ! Thanks for the great porting Dave !!). All of our motors ran hard in those huge bowls all week and never skipped a beat (We let them cool every 30-45 minutes and made sure the main jets were very rich!!). And yes there were some 400EX's that did not make it up(not enough wheel speed=RPM's). The predators really impressed me !! little or no downshifting !!
I thought the pic of banshee hill was at the top where it widens up...But you are right the back ground does not look right. I will check my files again(I have a few pics of him on banshee hill, I remember taking them). Jason has pulled banshee several times, the picture is one of my friends son...he is quite a good rider.
Saint Anthonys is an awesome spot !! The huge bowls are the best !!!
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07-01-2003, 02:02 AM
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07-01-2003, 04:11 AM
