Their is NO RELIVANT POINTS from a mass production standpoint and a MILITARY CONTRACTED development of a plane. they take on completely different standards and arent subject to similiar business requirements on any level. the military wants something done, they get it done and get it out no questions asked. Honda.......American Military, not exactly a good comparison.

HA2,
Do you come from a family of tree stumps? I feel like I'm talking to one. AGAIN, if an airplane can be developed from concept to a working prototype in 100 days then common sense would tell you that it is completely possible for the 250R to be designed, developed and released in the span of time that the Quadracer was introduced. Besides that, who gives a damn? The Quadracer was released before the 250R. The 250R came out a year later. It was obvious that it had been rushed to production because the swingarm was too long and the '86 spun out around corners. This was documented in the magazines at the time. I still have those magazines.

Now let me say this slowly.... I NEVER SAID THE 250R WAS COPIED OFF THE QUADRACER. YOU DID!!!!

Mitchell knows their is more money in automobiles than quad data publication. its that simple. their expeirence with quads and other motor vehicles is still vast and you are yet to say anything that proves them to be irrelivant to the topics at hand.

I don't question Mitchell's expertise and you don't work for Mitchell. You probably have some cross-eyed, second cousins that sweep the floor and empty the trash that work for the company and these are your "sources". If I wanted to talk tolite paper I would value their opinions on the subject. For some reason I don't understand the relaivency of where Mitchell fits into your arguement of what Honda was doing behind the scenes in 1985.

I thought you said you didnt believe they copied anything? Are you saying that Honda can buy Suzuki's (just and example) and find weak spots and correct them on their own quad?

Holy shiz! You finally got some of what I said correct! We are making a break through. Yes, every OEM that has half a brain will purchase, test, analyze, and examine the other guys quad and make sure that theirs it better. Look at the original Quadsport. Every sport quad that came out after was better than the Quad Sport. And yes, that includes the 250X. Look at the 400EX, it is a nice quad but has been surpassed in recent years. But I did not say they copied, you did!


This makes zero sense. Where talking about MARKETING, not if their is a market to market to. we already know their is a market. Marketing consist of promotions, advertising which would entail KNOWING the product before doing anything, pricing models, and constant legal scrutiny. these things take time and constant adjustments with delaying release dates and fluxuating manufacturing costs (raises MSRP). and again this is only one thing out of several other things a manufacturer has to do to come up with any product.

Uh huh, and you already told us that you work in marketing for a "nationwide corporation" and have an idea of what it takes to market to the retail (public) end of the business. Honda did not have to create any markets, they already existed. All Honda had to do was release a quad that was better than the competition. They were not creating a new market, they did not have to offer incentitives, just build a better quad and it would sell itself. We are talking quads here, not maxipads or whatever you write jingles for.

Dude, really, this is getting way old. Just explain to us why Honda is not a follower and let it go at that.

 

wow. the personal attacks in your previous post are showing some true colors.

the point was made about Mitchell that they understand the engineering involved and it takes more than a couple months to develop and produce it.

you have answered none of my questions that were directed towards your statements so im assuming you cant. personally attacking family members and basing your arguements on a TV show about the military. i think you said a lot more about yourself than me.

i wont repeat what ive said about marketing because frankly, you arent grasping the concept.

as far as this goes:
this would only work if Honda's quad had similiar design and you have not answered my question of what are the similiarities.

around and around we go, where she stops, nobody knows!

 

 

Gee, what happened HA2? Run out of wiggle room? Hey Stumpy, I'm still waiting to hear why Honda is not a follower.

 

my point is that your arguement is virtually impossible with the timeframe. if they already had the quad on the drawing board and possibly in the testing stages, they cant be following anyone.

do you always answer a question with a question?

now answer mine: What are the similiarities in the frame structure, front steering, and front suspension with the LT 250 and 250R.

 

i agree where is the similar design, if honda copied why wont any of the parts interchange??????HMmmmmmm??

 

Rockrider im gonna have to disagree with u on one thing, my R doesnt spin out on corners (sand, hard dirt, wet road, ice) and yes its an '86 swingarm.

 

he is just going to say that they didnt copy, they only let others do the R&D then apply to their quads. if they share no similiarities than their are too many variables and accurate data from others R&D would be impossible. i would think to share similiarities you would have to copy, but maybe the manufacturers are psychic. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

HA2 & Vampireforeman,
Please show everyone where I said that Honda copied Suzuki.

Crackhead,
That is what every magazine reported in their test articles in 1986. The hot set up was a shorter swingarm. Check the length of an '87 250R swingarm and you will see that it is shorter from the factory. Now that 17 years has past and lots of new tire designs are on the market, perhaps you don't notice it as much as they did back in the 80's.

 

polaris made the first four wheeler not the first sport quad though and this a myth or it might be true but someone said that suzuki and honda worked together on making the 250r i don't belive this but it might be true