*I* posted this on exriders.

Wrong - I spoke with Lazarus personally this afternoon, just after he finished up - as I have many times. He is one of the most straight forward people I've met when talking ATVs. He's also got a ton of experience and knowledge. I asked the question earlier, why would he skew the numbers? What does he have to gain?

If you want to know about his credentials, just take a look at Bill Ballance's YFZ.

If you doubt his numbers and have such a problem with them, why haven't you called to talk to him about them like I said in the last post? It seems to me you're more interested in running your mouth then finding out the facts. Pretty easy to make uninformed claims on the internet from behind a computer.

I have not seen any other dyno readings directly comparing the two that were confirmed to have the R's throttle adjusted correctly, run on the same dyno, and run with appropriate tires. Lots of people will quote numbers out of DW, or the dyno run that HMF did (HMF's problems were they used stock tires and likely an throttle that wasn't corrected, thus not allowing the 450 to attain full throttle) - heck HMF's dyno showed the 450R to only be putting out a few more HP than a stock 400EX & at this point I know that to be 100% false.

You seem pretty desperate to hold on to the false belief that somehow the TRX won't be able to compete, yet you don't have any real data to support your vehement denial of the facts.

I now have a 450R. I also have a 416EX that's built to the point that it will run right with a uncorked, jetted, airbox'd YFZ in a 300' dirt drag (confirmed by a real timing system on numerous occasions last summer, not just some impromptu meeting). I also had a Cannondale that would hang right with a uncorked, jetted, airbox'd YFZ and that same 416EX in a drag - also confirmed by a timing system. I've been racing this 416EX for years & have a very good feel for it's power level.

Granted, sometimes drag races will yeild surprising results - the 416 may surprise me and run with it, but I guarantee my 416 will NOT outrun my bone stock 450R.

What can be deduced from this? The 450R reality is much closer to what these dyno runs show than you and many other Yamaha/YFZ ****'s want to believe.

The YFZ is a good quad and has a great engine no one's denying that. However, if you have some delusion that your YFZ is going blow away the 450R's out there, you're setting yourself up for some serious disappointment.

Personally, I could really care less if the 450R does or does not develop the same power level a YFZ does - ultimately I know it's potential will be very close to the same for both engines when built - the dirtbikes tell us this. I have always considered a 450R offering from Honda to be a good base to begin from, not the perfect racer out of the box. Your insinuation that somehow I have some agenda to make others believe the 450R is more than it is, is ridiculous. In fact - the negative crap on these forums has likely played a role in me being able to obtain my 450R for a decent amount less than list & not having to be on some waiting list for an indefinite period waiting for one.

BTW, have you even ridden a 450R yet, or are you strictly postulating? Everything I've seen you post is stricky theory, and many of your "facts" have been *way* off base, or should I say, flat wrong.

I have no idea what you're talking about in that quote.

There's no need to respond - I know no matter what evidence you're given, you will not admit to the fact that these two are much closer than you have been crowing about in the past. You have too much at stake, you pretty much dug your hole & now you have to defend your position. That's understood.

As I said above- if you really care about the facts, give Lazarus a call & chat with him a bit, make your own decision if you think he knows what he's doing or has anything to gain by skewing these results. If you won't even do that, I have zero respect for you and will continue to consider you an internet blow-hard. If you do & actually open your eyes and realize you maybe passed judgement to hastily, to save face you need not say anything, just stop your inane campaign against the 450R & stick to racing your Raptor in straight lines....