There will never be a 650EX quad............
#31
12-15-2005 | 09:29 PM
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There will never be a 650EX quad............
Well thanks for the warm invite! As a matter of fact, I have ridden my 500 up near Stratten, VT... So I'm guessing that's close enough to calling it "your woods".
My in-laws live in Greenfield, MA so I've been there, and ridden alot.... And the amazing part is... I'm still alive to talk about it.
We won't even mention that my 500 did just fine... Easily popping the front end up to 'hop' over fallen timber.<u>Text</u>
My in-laws live in Greenfield, MA so I've been there, and ridden alot.... And the amazing part is... I'm still alive to talk about it.
We won't even mention that my 500 did just fine... Easily popping the front end up to 'hop' over fallen timber.<u>Text</u>
#32
12-16-2005 | 01:44 AM
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There will never be a 650EX quad............
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Originally posted by: motox26
This is just a educated guess, but I think they were going to release it this past year (TPR) and were content with it being better than the 660 Raptor. When they caught wiff of the 700 Rpator coming out I think it made them tuck there tail between there legs and go make more improvements on their prototype 650-700 ex.
Probily alot of truth to that. I think a 650/700 ex would sell very well. Take yamaha for example. I bet at the end of the sales year the 700 raptor out sells yfz 2:1. Not everyone wants a harsh riding, uncomfortable, high matinence race bike.
Originally posted by: motox26
This is just a educated guess, but I think they were going to release it this past year (TPR) and were content with it being better than the 660 Raptor. When they caught wiff of the 700 Rpator coming out I think it made them tuck there tail between there legs and go make more improvements on their prototype 650-700 ex.
#33
12-16-2005 | 01:58 AM
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dune, like i said, i got the info from your bio and your list. it didnt mention anything about building engines etc. nor does it state that the 86 250r is a 265- (which ive been thinking about doing that to mine).
alot of people come on here and talk crap without having the stuff to back it up. i was just curious of where the machines were and how it all came about. and no you shouldnt feel the need to defend yourself if you know it to be true but it does help others to know about it...
how did you get 80hp from a quadzilla though? i know a 100hp banshee is done all the time- ive seen them and they are incredible (when done right) but i have seen WAY more modded banshees than 500's. i dont know why other than it just seems like you can get more out of a banshee.
im not saying you cant get 80+ from a zilla, and i admit im no expert engine builder-- but stock they have like, what, 50something? so some porting and a drag pipe and reeds, carb, etc is what got it there or is it bored/stroked? if you dont want to give away the secret plans, then dont. but i was looking into getting a 500 oneday (almost bought one last year from a guy in florida) and was also wondering how much can you get out of it without boring, etc... i like to keep my machines reliable as possible. thnx.
alot of people come on here and talk crap without having the stuff to back it up. i was just curious of where the machines were and how it all came about. and no you shouldnt feel the need to defend yourself if you know it to be true but it does help others to know about it...
how did you get 80hp from a quadzilla though? i know a 100hp banshee is done all the time- ive seen them and they are incredible (when done right) but i have seen WAY more modded banshees than 500's. i dont know why other than it just seems like you can get more out of a banshee.
im not saying you cant get 80+ from a zilla, and i admit im no expert engine builder-- but stock they have like, what, 50something? so some porting and a drag pipe and reeds, carb, etc is what got it there or is it bored/stroked? if you dont want to give away the secret plans, then dont. but i was looking into getting a 500 oneday (almost bought one last year from a guy in florida) and was also wondering how much can you get out of it without boring, etc... i like to keep my machines reliable as possible. thnx.
#34
12-16-2005 | 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by: twentycharacters
dune, like i said, i got the info from your bio and your list. it didnt mention anything about building engines etc. nor does it state that the 86 250r is a 265- (which ive been thinking about doing that to mine).
alot of people come on here and talk crap without having the stuff to back it up. i was just curious of where the machines were and how it all came about. and no you shouldnt feel the need to defend yourself if you know it to be true but it does help others to know about it...
how did you get 80hp from a quadzilla though? i know a 100hp banshee is done all the time- ive seen them and they are incredible (when done right) but i have seen WAY more modded banshees than 500's. i dont know why other than it just seems like you can get more out of a banshee.
im not saying you cant get 80+ from a zilla, and i admit im no expert engine builder-- but stock they have like, what, 50something? so some porting and a drag pipe and reeds, carb, etc is what got it there or is it bored/stroked? if you dont want to give away the secret plans, then dont. but i was looking into getting a 500 oneday (almost bought one last year from a guy in florida) and was also wondering how much can you get out of it without boring, etc... i like to keep my machines reliable as possible. thnx.
dune, like i said, i got the info from your bio and your list. it didnt mention anything about building engines etc. nor does it state that the 86 250r is a 265- (which ive been thinking about doing that to mine).
alot of people come on here and talk crap without having the stuff to back it up. i was just curious of where the machines were and how it all came about. and no you shouldnt feel the need to defend yourself if you know it to be true but it does help others to know about it...
how did you get 80hp from a quadzilla though? i know a 100hp banshee is done all the time- ive seen them and they are incredible (when done right) but i have seen WAY more modded banshees than 500's. i dont know why other than it just seems like you can get more out of a banshee.
im not saying you cant get 80+ from a zilla, and i admit im no expert engine builder-- but stock they have like, what, 50something? so some porting and a drag pipe and reeds, carb, etc is what got it there or is it bored/stroked? if you dont want to give away the secret plans, then dont. but i was looking into getting a 500 oneday (almost bought one last year from a guy in florida) and was also wondering how much can you get out of it without boring, etc... i like to keep my machines reliable as possible. thnx.
I don't mind letting out info... It's no big secret or anything really. I just don't go spouting off about my mods and things because it's really quite irrelivant for the most part... Nobody cares, just run whatcha brung kind mindset..
My 265 will eventually end up as a big bore...(Ever heard of a Sabretooth?) The stock jug will make some pretty impressive power, but I'm always on the quest for more. Currently mine is a long-rod motor utilizing a spacerplate. I haven't really tweaked this bike much, so I'm sure there's a ton of HP left on the table... It's my wifes bike, and she gets cranky when I start racing it (Last time I had to replace the piston -- Kaboom!)
How did I get 80HP from a 500? With a BUNCH of help from a guy known as Dr. Q. I have to give him all the credit, because I use his port specs, pipe specs, head specs, and any other little trick in the book. He's an absolute wizard, I'm just a tinkerer. With his custom made pipe (Can't buy that at the store) and porting specs, he's seen higher numbers than that (S.A.E. Corrected HP to the rear wheels) I don't claim 80HP, dyno numbers really don't mean much... they should be used as a tuning tool to notice gains/losses when tinkering.. It's just a number, and numbers vary greatly from dyno to dyno... Way too many variables to have a fair/honest comparison.
My 500 isn't stock bore... It's 87mm (Can get a lighter forged piston at that size), piston mods, very major port work (Again, the stockers are really plugged up), bigger carb, and correcting all the design shortfalls that Suzuki didn't fix.
For my hybrid, I'm building a big bore stroker motor... So definitely not a stock-like motor. (I certainly couldn't do it without Doc... again, giving credit where credit is due) This motor has been nicknamed the 'roidzilla' at 650cc's and should be able to compete nicely with the big HP banshees. The chassis will need several mods as well. It's not all about the HP, the things got to handle and have a good useable suspension.
Not many folks can get the true potential out of the big single... The banshees run so well because of the added efficiency of the twin cylinder. Just like the 500 though, they are turds in stock form.
500's can be made reliable, but they typically aren't in stock form, and have got a very bad rep through the years for having issues.. All these design flaws can be corrected, it's just a function of $$.
The 500's certainly aren't for everyone...(Not many bikes are, hence this rather lengthy discussion), but if you love the torque of a 4 stroke (+++), with the rush and pull of a 2 stroke, and don't mind working on it... they are great!
My apologies to the original author of this thread.. We've really deviated from the original topic here ::HIJACK::
#35
12-16-2005 | 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by: TrikeMan05
I guess it all depends on where you ride. Try swinging a leg over that 500 in my woods. You will be dead before you know it. Power is only good if you can use it..
I guess it all depends on where you ride. Try swinging a leg over that 500 in my woods. You will be dead before you know it. Power is only good if you can use it..
#36
12-16-2005 | 12:07 PM
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There will never be a 650EX quad............
Originally posted by: motox26
This is just a educated guess, but I think they were going to release it this past year (TPR) and were content with it being better than the 660 Raptor. When they caught wiff of the 700 Rpator coming out I think it made them tuck there tail between there legs and go make more improvements on their prototype 650-700 ex.
This is just a educated guess, but I think they were going to release it this past year (TPR) and were content with it being better than the 660 Raptor. When they caught wiff of the 700 Rpator coming out I think it made them tuck there tail between there legs and go make more improvements on their prototype 650-700 ex.
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12-16-2005 | 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Duneaddict
I've kicked myself several times for ever parting with my old CR... My plan was to upgrade to a newer model with less abuse, just never happened.. Theory has it that the '85 was the most potent motor ever put in the bike. Mine was piped and ported... It had almost 'enough' power.... for two wheels anyhow LoL!
I've kicked myself several times for ever parting with my old CR... My plan was to upgrade to a newer model with less abuse, just never happened.. Theory has it that the '85 was the most potent motor ever put in the bike. Mine was piped and ported... It had almost 'enough' power.... for two wheels anyhow LoL!
I get such a kick out of experts here who think only 4 strokes make torque. I guess they have never looked at a trials bike either.
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12-16-2005 | 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by: mywifesquad
I think honda is more worried about liability lawsuits than any one else is. They could build anything they wanted to. Instead they continue to make their slightly dated, huge profit margin quads.
I think honda is more worried about liability lawsuits than any one else is. They could build anything they wanted to. Instead they continue to make their slightly dated, huge profit margin quads.
#40
12-16-2005 | 12:33 PM
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There will never be a 650EX quad............
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Originally posted by: Duneaddict
May be heavier, but probably with better low-end torque and reliability. Honestly the big bores would probably better suit my riding style.
Originally posted by: Duneaddict
Originally posted by: dunefool
No Kidding!!! I'd love to go for a ride!
Your absolutely right, a 650 or 700 would very likely be much heavier... Not to mention very little additional HP (if any). I'm very interested in power to weight ratios... The 450s are a HUGE improvement over the traditional heavy, low powered 4 strokes...
I still see where a bigger HP, lighter weight, better handling machine would have a place in the market. Current technology doesn't allow for that to happen (2 stroke not meeting EPA requirements, and 4 strokes still not exceeding 50HP.... Multi-cylinder 4 strokes can do it, but there goes the weight..)
Think Summer!
[i]Not all people ride straight as you know. This is where the new 450's become even more fun.
A trx650 or 750 would only likely be heavier and not any faster. So why would anyone want it, unless they were 250+ pounds and it fit their size better, like the ds650 did for big guys when it came out. As many know but not all realize, bigger is not always better or faster for that matter. And when I say "faster" I'm talking about Dunes, Woods, MX. Most people want to buy something they can use for multiple purposes.
Anyways, all this talk about bikes makes me want to go riding!!
A trx650 or 750 would only likely be heavier and not any faster. So why would anyone want it, unless they were 250+ pounds and it fit their size better, like the ds650 did for big guys when it came out. As many know but not all realize, bigger is not always better or faster for that matter. And when I say "faster" I'm talking about Dunes, Woods, MX. Most people want to buy something they can use for multiple purposes.
Anyways, all this talk about bikes makes me want to go riding!!
Your absolutely right, a 650 or 700 would very likely be much heavier... Not to mention very little additional HP (if any). I'm very interested in power to weight ratios... The 450s are a HUGE improvement over the traditional heavy, low powered 4 strokes...
I still see where a bigger HP, lighter weight, better handling machine would have a place in the market. Current technology doesn't allow for that to happen (2 stroke not meeting EPA requirements, and 4 strokes still not exceeding 50HP.... Multi-cylinder 4 strokes can do it, but there goes the weight..)
Think Summer!
May be heavier, but probably with better low-end torque and reliability. Honestly the big bores would probably better suit my riding style.