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12-16-2005, 04:13 AM
#22
12-16-2005, 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by: RIDER11X
Well I gave you some quick examples to wet your appetite, and you don't even appreciate them??????? LOL!
The Z400's in those posts were less than 3 years old and suffering from timing ailments........Not good IMO. My 400ex was raced for over 4 years without any motor work other that oil and filter changes, and one valve adjustment. Not bad at all.
Now, another comparison.........Womens GNCC champ Traci Cecco logged over 300 racing hours on her YFZ450 with no motor problems or failures at all, before rebuild........Most machines log 65-70 hrs per year if ridden often........300hrs of use translates to 4.5 years of use by most people......More than the common less than 3 years on the z400 before problems........And not a Honda........Yamaha is even surpassing Suzuki!....LOL!
BTW, my life is working for Honda as they pay me for every promotoinal post I put up for them to sell their machines.....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] Naa, don't think so..... OK, my life is to annoy that talk bad about Honda......Naa! I just try to help other riders by using my experiance, and learn from others at the same time on the forums....Take for what you want.........It makes no difference to me at all. Really.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif[/img]
Well I gave you some quick examples to wet your appetite, and you don't even appreciate them??????? LOL!
The Z400's in those posts were less than 3 years old and suffering from timing ailments........Not good IMO. My 400ex was raced for over 4 years without any motor work other that oil and filter changes, and one valve adjustment. Not bad at all.
Now, another comparison.........Womens GNCC champ Traci Cecco logged over 300 racing hours on her YFZ450 with no motor problems or failures at all, before rebuild........Most machines log 65-70 hrs per year if ridden often........300hrs of use translates to 4.5 years of use by most people......More than the common less than 3 years on the z400 before problems........And not a Honda........Yamaha is even surpassing Suzuki!....LOL!
BTW, my life is working for Honda as they pay me for every promotoinal post I put up for them to sell their machines.....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] Naa, don't think so..... OK, my life is to annoy that talk bad about Honda......Naa! I just try to help other riders by using my experiance, and learn from others at the same time on the forums....Take for what you want.........It makes no difference to me at all. Really.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif[/img]
LMAO!!!![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] What is wrong with you??? Now you think a YFZ450 is more reliable than a Z?[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img] Either you are very ignorant about atv's, or else you have some weird reason to bash the Z's. In about every thread asking about a Z400, plenty of people start talking about the proven reliability of this machine. Think about it, a YFZ450 motor is built for race purposes, and Z400 engine is built for more trail oriented purposes, regardless of brand it is obvious which motor would give you less fits.
Once again, get some real world experience with these machines, you will learn lots if you are capable of learning.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by: motox26
LMAO!!!![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] What is wrong with you??? Now you think a YFZ450 is more reliable than a Z?[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img] Either you are very ignorant about atv's, or else you have some weird reason to bash the Z's.
It's called blind honda loyality. The z is better than the ex in everyway. Handeling, suspension, speed, acceleration, dohc vs sohc, liquid cooling vs oil cooling, looks, and price. Only blind loyality would make someone choose an ex over a Z.
Originally posted by: motox26
LMAO!!!![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] What is wrong with you??? Now you think a YFZ450 is more reliable than a Z?[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img] Either you are very ignorant about atv's, or else you have some weird reason to bash the Z's.
#24
12-16-2005, 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by: motox26
LMAO!!!![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] What is wrong with you??? Now you think a YFZ450 is more reliable than a Z?[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img] Either you are very ignorant about atv's, or else you have some weird reason to bash the Z's. In about every thread asking about a Z400, plenty of people start talking about the proven reliability of this machine. Think about it, a YFZ450 motor is built for race purposes, and Z400 engine is built for more trail oriented purposes, regardless of brand it is obvious which motor would give you less fits.
Once again, get some real world experience with these machines, you will learn lots if you are capable of learning.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: RIDER11X
Well I gave you some quick examples to wet your appetite, and you don't even appreciate them??????? LOL!
The Z400's in those posts were less than 3 years old and suffering from timing ailments........Not good IMO. My 400ex was raced for over 4 years without any motor work other that oil and filter changes, and one valve adjustment. Not bad at all.
Now, another comparison.........Womens GNCC champ Traci Cecco logged over 300 racing hours on her YFZ450 with no motor problems or failures at all, before rebuild........Most machines log 65-70 hrs per year if ridden often........300hrs of use translates to 4.5 years of use by most people......More than the common less than 3 years on the z400 before problems........And not a Honda........Yamaha is even surpassing Suzuki!....LOL!
BTW, my life is working for Honda as they pay me for every promotoinal post I put up for them to sell their machines.....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] Naa, don't think so..... OK, my life is to annoy that talk bad about Honda......Naa! I just try to help other riders by using my experiance, and learn from others at the same time on the forums....Take for what you want.........It makes no difference to me at all. Really.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif[/img]
Well I gave you some quick examples to wet your appetite, and you don't even appreciate them??????? LOL!
The Z400's in those posts were less than 3 years old and suffering from timing ailments........Not good IMO. My 400ex was raced for over 4 years without any motor work other that oil and filter changes, and one valve adjustment. Not bad at all.
Now, another comparison.........Womens GNCC champ Traci Cecco logged over 300 racing hours on her YFZ450 with no motor problems or failures at all, before rebuild........Most machines log 65-70 hrs per year if ridden often........300hrs of use translates to 4.5 years of use by most people......More than the common less than 3 years on the z400 before problems........And not a Honda........Yamaha is even surpassing Suzuki!....LOL!
BTW, my life is working for Honda as they pay me for every promotoinal post I put up for them to sell their machines.....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] Naa, don't think so..... OK, my life is to annoy that talk bad about Honda......Naa! I just try to help other riders by using my experiance, and learn from others at the same time on the forums....Take for what you want.........It makes no difference to me at all. Really.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif[/img]
LMAO!!!![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] What is wrong with you??? Now you think a YFZ450 is more reliable than a Z?[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img] Either you are very ignorant about atv's, or else you have some weird reason to bash the Z's. In about every thread asking about a Z400, plenty of people start talking about the proven reliability of this machine. Think about it, a YFZ450 motor is built for race purposes, and Z400 engine is built for more trail oriented purposes, regardless of brand it is obvious which motor would give you less fits.
Once again, get some real world experience with these machines, you will learn lots if you are capable of learning.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
BTw SOHC vs DOHC...........the Sohc works well in the 450R.
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12-16-2005, 11:50 PM
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12-17-2005, 04:11 AM
EX or Z
Am I Honda brand loyal? You better believe it!!!! I have owned all Honda's except one Yamaha dirt bike that was alot of problems for me, and a KTM thay I actually really liked. All of my Hondas treated me very well, and got me though some amazing situations, and appeals to my thought on machines..........I'd rather sacrifice some power and fancy extras, to have a super reliable long lasting machine.......That is MY idea of a perfect machine, not everyone's opinion by far..........If you feel the way I do, Honda will serve you well.....If not, buy something else, and enjoy![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif[/img]
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12-17-2005, 10:46 AM
#28
12-17-2005, 12:33 PM
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If you are in to steep hill climbing you better look at the cost of parts. Body, steering shaft and so on.
The Honda factory parts cost a lot less to replace than the Z400.
Z400 Front fender $256.
Z400 Rear fender $206.
Z400 Steering shaft $166.
Z400 Sub frame $348.
Total $976.00
400EX Rront fender $100.
400EX Rear fender $124.
400EX Steering shaft $65.
400EX Sub frame $237.
Total $526.00
This is one of the reasons I bought a 400EX the up keep and repairs cost a lot less.
The Honda factory parts cost a lot less to replace than the Z400.
Z400 Front fender $256.
Z400 Rear fender $206.
Z400 Steering shaft $166.
Z400 Sub frame $348.
Total $976.00
400EX Rront fender $100.
400EX Rear fender $124.
400EX Steering shaft $65.
400EX Sub frame $237.
Total $526.00
This is one of the reasons I bought a 400EX the up keep and repairs cost a lot less.
#29
12-17-2005, 02:21 PM
EX or Z
Originally posted by: Harw
If you are in to steep hill climbing you better look at the cost of parts. Body, steering shaft and so on.
The Honda factory parts cost a lot less to replace than the Z400.
Z400 Front fender $256.
Z400 Rear fender $206.
Z400 Steering shaft $166.
Z400 Sub frame $348.
Total $976.00
400EX Rront fender $100.
400EX Rear fender $124.
400EX Steering shaft $65.
400EX Sub frame $237.
Total $526.00
This is one of the reasons I bought a 400EX the up keep and repairs cost a lot less.
If you are in to steep hill climbing you better look at the cost of parts. Body, steering shaft and so on.
The Honda factory parts cost a lot less to replace than the Z400.
Z400 Front fender $256.
Z400 Rear fender $206.
Z400 Steering shaft $166.
Z400 Sub frame $348.
Total $976.00
400EX Rront fender $100.
400EX Rear fender $124.
400EX Steering shaft $65.
400EX Sub frame $237.
Total $526.00
This is one of the reasons I bought a 400EX the up keep and repairs cost a lot less.
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