I spent $1500 for my Zilla, put another $1500 in mods and desperately needed repairs into it, and for being 15 years older and almost $4K cheaper than a raptor, I have yet to find one that can offer the least bit of a challenge. Same w/ my built 351W powered 75 F-100......Have yet to meet a Lightning or a newer sport car that'll keep up at the drag or interstate......Anyways, I ridden a 86-87 (I'm not sure which) 250R this weekend for the first time, and I can definitely see why they're so popular. Its been wrecked a few times, has only a FMF pipe for modifications, yet I could manhandle that thing around the old Sno-cross track easily. I would feel very confident challenging EX's or Raptors on a rough track like that anyday. In fact, my friends have Raptors, DS's, EX's, and Banshees, all that I have ridden quite a few times, and I like that 250R the best, although I probably spent only 10 minutes on it (course I still like my LT500R more[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]) In fact, if I ever come across one for a good deal, I may ****** that up before I'd pay the money for a new quad.......Latah