I am very much interested in this new atv. The only thing that worries me is the tranny.From my experience working for the last 35yrs in the automotive,heavy truck and industrial truck field I have found that the style of trans that they are using will fail with the very smallest amount of dirt. In theory it is a great idea but when they say that the trans is sealed it better be sealed tighter than a nat's a**.It will not take but a speck of dirt to stop the trans. from working.I am also curious about why everyone is so worked up about the new torque sensing front diff.? Suzuki used it starting in 1998 on the 500 quadrunner and if you are an oldtimer on this web site you will remember the posts by people such as Gordon Banks
saying how it was nothing but limited slip.Well I own one of those 1998 500 quadrunners and I can tell you that the only thing that stops it is ground clearence and the only other quad that will go where it goes is a four wheel polaris. This is going to be fun to watch when the rubicon gets out in the field,will the torque sensing front diff be a torque sensing diff. because it is a "HONDA" and not a suzuki?

 

the foreman 450 DOES NOT HAVE THE AP SYSTEM!!!!!! IT IS STRICTLY THE TRADIDTIONAL LIMITED SLIP DESIGN!!!!!! THE NEW TORQUE SENSING SYSTEM IS CALLED THE [red]AP SURE-TRAC[/red]!!!!!!

PLEASE GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT

 

LovinHonda:
Hey, Bob is right, keep it up! The more you type on these darn keyboards, the more you get used to them. It'll come much easier with more practice. --Just wait till you start writing 20 page research documents. What a pain!!! Well, time to get out riding! Have a good weekend!

Mike

 

Went down and read up a little on the new Rubicon trans. There isnt a whole lot available about it yet but I did find out thru checking that is supposed to to use a triple filtering system. They couldnt tell me if it was 3 separate filters or if it was some type of single 3 stage filter system. That should be adequate to catch anything though. Either way, I agree about the danger of contamination. Hopefully it will be as dependable as there other models. It will be interesting but if the system works as planned it should be sweet.

 

AP is the torque sensing, why do you persist to be a pain the the a$$? You have no clue as to what you are talking about. The foreman doesn't have the ap front end, now go home and quit typing on this site, your polluting the forum.

 

"AP" is simply a brand name. It is a purchased technology from some other company. You are correct, RancherES, in that the AP is torque sensing. Now, the new Rubicon may also have a torque sensing front diff, however, that does not mean it uses the "AP" unit.

LovinHonda-- try the backspace key. Although I don't expect perfect grammer and college level sentance structure from everyone here, it would make your posts much more readable if you did a quick proof read before hitting that 'submit' button. No offense, but most of us should take heed on this one.

dan

 

Man what is your guys problem nobody was putting down your bike or even the rubicon are you all that insecure about Honda...see if you can grasp this I did a search on Metacrawler for Rubicon to see if there was any more info than what atvconnection was reporting I noticed that there were different reports on what kind of front end would be on it, I wasn't making up any lies or storys just repeating what I had read from other sites...all I was wondering if they were going to put the foreman or the rancher front differential on the Rubicon, it is simple as that, man why do you guys blow things out of proportion it was just a simple question...I was really wondering why Honda would put the foreman front end on if the Rancher front end was suppose to be so good, come on guys slack up a little bit.

 

Thanks Atving, you've cleared things up for us again.

 

the problem i have is that you TOLD me that i DID NOT know what kind of differintial I HAD on MY QUAD!!!!!

i have no problem with your question. in fact i didn't think that the rubicon had the sure trak either.

but do not tell me what my quad has or does not have on it.

i am not insecure about honda. i just don't like being called ignorant when i am right and the other person has no idea what they are talking about

i don't see "AP" or "sure track" anywere in this one, just "limited slip"


Model:
2000 TRX450ES
Engine Type: 433.0cc air-cooled OHV longitudinally mounted single-cylinder 4-stroke
Bore and Stroke: 90mm x 68mm
Carburetion: 32mm CV
Ignition: DC CD with electronic advance
Starter: Electric with auxiliary recoil
Clutch: Automatic
Transmission: Electric, five-speed with reverse and ultra-low first gear
Driveline: Direct front and rear drive-shafts with limited-slip front differential
Front Suspension: Independent double-wishbone; 5.9 inches travel
Rear Suspension: Swingarm with single shock; 5.9 inches travel
Front Brakes: Dual sealed hydraulic drum
Rear Brakes: Sealed drum
Front Tires: 25 x 8 - 12
Rear Tires: 25 x 10 - 12
Length: 77.2 inches
Width: 45.5 inches
Height: 45.0 inches
Wheelbase: 50.0 inches
Seat Height: 33.8 inches
Ground Clearance: 7.7 inches
Turning Radius: 11.5 feet
Dry Weight: 586.0 pounds
Fuel Capacity: 3.2 gallons, including 0.7-gallon reserve
Colors: Olive, Yellow, Red

get YOUR facts straight

 

No kidding, listen to Cartman! Were you dropped on your head when you were a kid? I mean you don't listen to what anyone has to say, you hear what you want to hear and then draw your conclusions from there. Cartman and I know what kind of front diff we have in our ranchers, we don't need someone to tell us that thank you.