Lets take two quads like you say and spend the same amount of money on each of them. You buy your raptor and we will take out Praire 650. We will spend $50-$100 on a homemade mod (which everyone will know about sometime, Alltoys knows the secret.) This little mod will increase our HP by about 15-20. Now spend that same amount of money on your raptor and you can only buy a K&N filter and jets, that will give you about 5 hp at best.

At this point the HP numbers are roughly: (at the crank)

P650 -- 60-65
Raptor -- 43-47

Weigh each one:

P650 -- 605
Raptor -- 398

LBS to HP ratio: (using average HP)

P650 -- 9.6
Raptor -- 8.8


Take a quick look at the P650 has a greater HP to weight ratio, if my calculations are correct and using estimated HP figures at the crank. Also take into account that we have 4x4 and don't have to shift or worry about a wheelie( as much.) This allows the P650 to holeshot much better and accelerate better.

So as you can see the raptor will not destroy the P650 with equal mods....the YZF450 will probably beat it though but costs alot more.

EDIT: My calculations are off, its lbs per HP. We still have the holeshot advantage though and no shifting and less wheelie and higher RPM.

 

Also your more than welcome to take our secret mod and put it on the V700 and see about 70 hp and less wegiht which would give you about 7.4 lbs per horsepower.

 

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You should of put some periods in there too make it easier to read if you know what I mean don't you so you like to this kawie forums better than the yamie yea don't take it personal no pun intended if you know what I mean again yea i think you know what i mean don't you all of the above just kidding around this is fun with no peroids

 

Yes a raptor will beat the P650 stock but can be fixed by a simple cheap mod. Alltoys raced his P650 with his mod with 28" outlaws (about 40 lbs per tire) against a raptor with a pipe and jet, guess what.....they would race 10 or so races and exchange wins. Now take off those tires that add about 130 lbs to the quad over stock and you will soon be amazed.....think about it before you post. Think of the weight difference...think how they both exchanged wins.....think about the 28" outlaws.....think about the raptor with its pipe and jets and K&N that could not destroy the modded P650....a simple $50-$100 mod compared to the $500-$600 in mods the raptor had....please think before you reply.....then think of the V-700 with this mod and you will see the light.....don't let Yamaha blind you....don't let the raptor blind you....think and use common sense....the raptor can be beat by a lowly P650, nevermind a P700 or a V700.....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

Hi Brent, when do you think we will hear more about the "alltoys" mod? Is it an Ignition related mod?

 

I just purchased a service manual from the dealer last night, in section 1-6, under specifications, it list the horsepower at 49.4 PS @6 500 r/min, (US).

 

I dynoed mine at 37 rwhp yesterday ..stock.

 

Dude....hehe....read this and read it good

 

He should be playing with his ******[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif[/img]

 

O yeh one more thing a Stock P650 will beat any other stock 4 stroke quad on sand. No bull$hit its facts and common sense. 4x4 baby[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]