Bet they signed a hold harmless agreement.

 

Which I'm sure is worthless in this situation.

Once again, I'm not advocating sueing. I didn't have to worry about it, we had our helmets on.

I just want some of the "Don't tell me to wear a helmet" guys to admit they would sue if that happened to them or one of their family members. They would take handouts / social welfare / insurance payouts if they crashed and were injured without a helmet on. It's just another example of the give me, give me mentality.

Maybe one of our Constitutional experts here is also an armchair economist. What economic law states that you can take $200 a month , put into an account and it instantly turns into $250,000 - $500,000 when you need to withdraw it???

People who don't protect themslves to the best of their abilities while doing activities that are both non-essential and more dangerous than average depend on the masses to bail them out when they crack their empty noggins.

 

In my old age, I wear a helmet. I just don't tell other adults that they have to for the sake of the masses.

Wrecked more times than I can count and I have never blamed the manufacturer. Most of those wrecks happened when I was young and did not wear a helmet. Lost a lot of skin between my cheek and ankle. Never sued. Never will.


Guess me and you must not be made from the same thread. I don't believe in free rides.

 

I guess we are not. Because you can't even understand my position. In the future I'll keep all words to6 letters or less


I never mentioned the manufacturer, only the bottom of the socialist's barrel would sue the manufacturer.

 

I don't rent my quads, so I guess I'm supposed to sue myself? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]

DUH!

 

Raptorlegs... Dude it isn't about teh tree huggers and their agenda's that are kicking our butts... it is the people out there blatently disregarding common sense and property rights of others. Cutting of fences, damaging of gates, tearing up of newly planted fields, doing wheelies down the road... getting th eloudest pipes on the planet... and the list goes on... When these things happen, we all suffer the consequences. But Ol' junior will still be out there tearing up someone elses stuff.

I don't know where to go any longer.. but I do know a couple of things that help. First, education is key. Let the authorities know that not all ATV riders are bad. 2) join a club.. yeah I know, more political BS to deal with, but clubs also can offer riding opportunities that you may not be able to take advantage of.. and they have more clout when they show up at the local county meetings to speak out on ATV related issues 3) be an ambassador for the sport... not a poster child for bad behavior.

Speaking about clubs taking on city hall... I just wonder if the locals were capable of pulling together a riding area close to home, with the help and policing of lcao club members.. .that they would find that by providing an area to ride, they get the streakers off the streets and out in an offical riding area away from granny Smith down the road.

 

"DUH!" that's the most intelligent thing you've said yet. You're dumb like a stump.

 

TRX 440, I'm crushed. I consider myself reasonably articulate and here i am using bad grammar...not even, totally wrong word. Now i feel like an ignoramus. I've overlooked EVERYONE else's bad grammar, wrong words, etc... then I screw up once and get massacred!![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif[/img] You're a tough crowd! And I guess i'm being too kind in overlooking what is meant vs. what is actually printed by many. And hey, I meant off-canter, which would be like a bad trot from a horse, okay!! Thank you for stopping me from continuing to appear to be a total fool.

That outfit conducting the tour is incredibly dumb. How could they take people on rides like that without INSISTING they wear helmets? If for nothing else, to cover their hind. And i can't believe it wouldn't be a condition of their insurance coverage (assuming somebody was cognizant enough to arrange it for them, because they were clearly too stupid to arrange it themselves).

I would NEVER sue for a gash, broken limb, or any soft-tissue injury. And this is coming from the most socialized country in the world (next to the Scandanavian countries). I'd like to THINK I wouldn't sue if it was a catastrophic injury.... but that truly is a tough call. You'd be forced to deal with astronomical medical expenses that would wipe you out. It's easy to say you wouldn't do anything, but when you're faced with the reality it casts a different perspective. Every day i deal with families faced with this type of decision and many are pretty well salt of the earth people. They start getting counselled the moment they get to the hospital by social workers, nurses that get a fee to refer sleazy, opportunistic plaintiff lawyers, doctors who tell them to get a lawyer, and now the ugly litigation machine starts building momentum. People that wouldn't normally even consider suing continually get the re-assurance that they need to hear (a lot from the various levels of the medical profession that they'll be dealing with daily+ friends and family that are suddenly experts), and they get psyched into a frenzy where they actually believe it REALLY is that rotten, greedy giant ATV corporation's fault.

I can say this emphatically: I would never take it from an individual person who would suffer financially as a result, i would never look for blood or compensation for pain and suffering, and I would only CONSIDER trying to get something to cope with the medical bills to prevent my families bankruptcy. And this is ONLY if it were catastrophic which means permanent paralysis, or a brain injury resulting in a permanently vegatative state (i.e. being spoon fed every day). And even then I don't know exactly what I'd do, these are only the circumstances it would take to test my moral resolve.

Our one time babysitter had a huge Saint Bernard that bull-dozed our just learning to walk and balance 2 year old son. The stunned adult sitter with 3 kids of her own, was busy yacking on the phone in one of her many marathon bull sessions. Junior was knocked 3 feet off a deck onto concrete. His face was a mess; welts,cuts, bruises, goose eggs. She probably gave an insincere apology, but moreover, she tried to downplay it as a nothing event and he'd be fine, "don't worry about it!" (okay lady, let me bring your kid home the same way and we'll hear your reaction). The majority of people I see on a day in/day out basis would scream bloody murder, take their kids for Ct scans, MRI's, etc.., allege a mild traumatic brain injury, and blame every one of the kid's future screw-ups on that "traumatic" event. What did we do? Paid her $100 for 2 days of alleged babysitting where all she did was sit on her lazy behind and let her slightly older kids do all the work.

An interesting final comment: Aesop (of Aesop's Fables fame) said, "The injury we cause and the injury we suffer are weighed on different scales".... an interesting observation for a man who wrote his stories in something like the 14th or 16th century (sorry TRX440, I can't recall the exact generation, but I trust you can correct me if I'm too far off).

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You're dumb as a stump, stubborn as a retarded democrat wanting a recount and as selfish as a welfare w-****. Be willing to bet you're ugly and your momma dresses you funny too! You crack me up. LOL! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]



Dragginbutt, maybe tearing up private property is a problem in your area but that's never been the focus around here. I hardly think cutting fences is the opposition's main reason to ban atvs. I guess those dirt bike riders are more responsible and curtious? Come on.

It all started with the tree-huggers and the media has fueled their fire. Lot's of parties have jumped on board. Surely you've been watching this progression for the last 20 years.

It cracks me up when one of you guys fighting for "the cause" invites the media out to do a goody-goody clip on atvs then can't understand why the say NO. Controversy sells. Goody-goody feel good does not. Your fighting a losing battle because as long as the opposing side has the media, ATViers are going to get screwed.

 

uh oh, we're resorting to childish name calling. find a better way to slam your opponent.

raptorlegs,let's assume you're right and it's all about controlling the media. then wouldn't it make sense to try and win them over with goody-good-goo-goo-ga-ga stories promoting atvers in a positive way? then we could double it up by bashing the tree-huggers with some negative eco-terrorist stories to really swing the support in our favor.

you must be lucky to live in Utopia, because I thought every area has problems with atvers, or dirt bikers, that wreck things, like the way dragginbutt described. Where we ride regularly, it's gov't land, but the abuse is sickening.It's NOT ALL from atvers, but we'll all suffer the consequences of other people's actions. The biggest offenders are the a$$holes that come and dump their grow-ops or general garbage. then there are other areas covered in shotgun shells and bullet casings and various bullet ridden targets like old deep freezers, fridges, burnt out cars, etc... Too bad, cuz some granola-bar hikers will complain and the area will probably end up getting shut down.