Hi Everyone.. New guy Here - Buying a Yamoto...?
Nov 8, 2004 | 04:07 PM
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Hi Everyone.. New guy Here - Buying a Yamoto...?
Originally posted by: ToddRappy660
Thanks mywifesquad. Did you have to do any modifications to make the CR80 shock work or did it bolt right on?
Originally posted by: mywifesquad
ToddRappy660, I have been chasing you around the forum. I have retro fitted a cr80 shock to the rear end of the yamoto 150. Read "YAMOTO 150 REVIEW" I have detailed most of my changes there. After reading that if you have any more questions, ask and I will answer them as best I can.
ToddRappy660, I have been chasing you around the forum. I have retro fitted a cr80 shock to the rear end of the yamoto 150. Read "YAMOTO 150 REVIEW" I have detailed most of my changes there. After reading that if you have any more questions, ask and I will answer them as best I can.
Nov 8, 2004 | 04:20 PM
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Hi Everyone.. New guy Here - Buying a Yamoto...?
Originally posted by: Dragginbutt
I am not sure I'd be expecting too much from a stock suspension in this class of machine any way. Not until you get into the 200 class will you see some decent stuff from the factory. You can add a bunch of parts to it, but you end up spending the same amount you would have spent if you had bumped it up to a blaster or something. That being said, I'd like to get the wolves howling for just a moment... When considering purchase prices, you get what you pay for comes to mind... One of the reasons the big companies cost more, is exactly the same reason you mention. they have parts in stock, and trained personnel that need to eat too. If you were a mechanic, which would you rather work on? Something you were trained on, and knew parts were available for it, or something that would be a discovery at best. Akin to exploratory surgery if you ask me. Last weekend, on ATV TV, they said it really good. The number one thing that is going to threaten our sport is the influx of container machines, where you can buy a container and become a dealer... same for parts...
Now my biggest beef is this... the big boys are putting a ton of $ back into our sport. THEY pay for the riding course, and all the support associated with that. THEY pay for sponsorship of many riding events to include not only racing, but jamborees etc. THEY pay for expertise in designing and building of new parks, and they help developers to get funding etc...In short htey are involved in making the sport better.
You have to ask yourself... what did the container company do for the sport? NOTHING.... they do not support the CPSC, do not put anything back into the sport... they take your money, and poof, once the container is empty, they go off to find the next big thing.... heck, they may be selling kid's socks or blue jeans on the corner next month...
You need to really think your decision through before opting for the cheapest product.. and take time to think through your purchase and ask yourself if the grief is worth it. Not all of us are mechanical wizards... and there are a lot of good guys out there who are conciencious, and would not knowingly get in your shorts, but if the company chooses to look elsewhere.. what are you going to do?
We saw the same thing with Cannondale, and they had decent funding available.. and still folded their wings... so think about it.
I am not sure I'd be expecting too much from a stock suspension in this class of machine any way. Not until you get into the 200 class will you see some decent stuff from the factory. You can add a bunch of parts to it, but you end up spending the same amount you would have spent if you had bumped it up to a blaster or something. That being said, I'd like to get the wolves howling for just a moment... When considering purchase prices, you get what you pay for comes to mind... One of the reasons the big companies cost more, is exactly the same reason you mention. they have parts in stock, and trained personnel that need to eat too. If you were a mechanic, which would you rather work on? Something you were trained on, and knew parts were available for it, or something that would be a discovery at best. Akin to exploratory surgery if you ask me. Last weekend, on ATV TV, they said it really good. The number one thing that is going to threaten our sport is the influx of container machines, where you can buy a container and become a dealer... same for parts...
Now my biggest beef is this... the big boys are putting a ton of $ back into our sport. THEY pay for the riding course, and all the support associated with that. THEY pay for sponsorship of many riding events to include not only racing, but jamborees etc. THEY pay for expertise in designing and building of new parks, and they help developers to get funding etc...In short htey are involved in making the sport better.
You have to ask yourself... what did the container company do for the sport? NOTHING.... they do not support the CPSC, do not put anything back into the sport... they take your money, and poof, once the container is empty, they go off to find the next big thing.... heck, they may be selling kid's socks or blue jeans on the corner next month...
You need to really think your decision through before opting for the cheapest product.. and take time to think through your purchase and ask yourself if the grief is worth it. Not all of us are mechanical wizards... and there are a lot of good guys out there who are conciencious, and would not knowingly get in your shorts, but if the company chooses to look elsewhere.. what are you going to do?
We saw the same thing with Cannondale, and they had decent funding available.. and still folded their wings... so think about it.
Nov 8, 2004 | 08:20 PM
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Hi Everyone.. New guy Here - Buying a Yamoto...?
The few differences I see in the two is the Kazuma is chain vs Yamoto being shaft driven. Which do you prefer. I like the Kazuma myself. Look at racewayatv.com and see the difference. Both have the same motor and tranny. adjustable suspension semi automatic with reverse. If you need to work on it at we all do at time to time. See which one looks easier to work on. I'm no mechanic so Changing filters and tune ups is the most I can do. Think about which is easier to modify if you plan to in the future. Can your salesman get you any part you need or do you have to order from another place. Always remember change the oil soon after you get it and check all the bolts for tightness. I used fingernail polish on all of my bolts and not a one has come loose yet and it's been almost a year. Don't forget to ask and see if they will give you a new helmet with the new purchase. I live and die by the helmet. Trust me get him one! Good luck on your decision. Owner of a Yamoto 150 and a Kazuma 110
Nov 8, 2004 | 09:35 PM
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Hi Everyone.. New guy Here - Buying a Yamoto...?
Well,
I disagree to a point here with SOME statements.I cant see paying 2x more for a brand name ATV for a youth that is not going to be too rough on ANY quad to begin with.
I bought my share of ''brand name'' youth quads in the past and have had issue's with ALL of them.My 125cc Yamaha Breeze had carb issues,my 90cc Scrambler with electric choke refused to start in the cold winter months,my 160 LT Suzuki had shifting issues.I could go on/on,but I think you get the point.
Last year,I decided to ''jump ship'' and go to the other import no name ATVs.I bought a new 110cc Monster Joe for 1200 bucks.This quad is a 3 speed Auto clutch,with reverse,BRIGHT headlights/tailights,brake lights,electric start,shaft drive,grease fittings,ect ect ect.It resembels a 80cc Raptor and is a big hit with the kids.NO PROBLEMS at ANY time with this quad.
About 3 months ago,I purchased 2 new Hornet 90cc ATVs from Cobra.They are electric start,2-stroke WITH a manual choke instead of electric,FULLY automatic,rear disk brake,head lights ect.I've had NO issues with either of them.They were shipped to my house for 2200 bucks TOTAL[Both quads].
A 80cc Raptor from Yamaha would have cost me 2400 bucks or MORE out the door.Im not willing to pay 1200 bucks more to pay a salesmans commision,or a parts manager to stock brand name parts that he ''MIGHT'' have in stock if I needed them,just to say I bought a brand name ATV that,IMO,is NO better quality than the no name ATVs I purchased.
My Cobra Hornets have been flawless.And with todays High Speed technology,it dont take long to get parts anyways.
Granted,
I AGREE that there are some BAD BAD no name companies out there,but,DO YOUR HOMEWORK first and you should be OK!
I disagree to a point here with SOME statements.I cant see paying 2x more for a brand name ATV for a youth that is not going to be too rough on ANY quad to begin with.
I bought my share of ''brand name'' youth quads in the past and have had issue's with ALL of them.My 125cc Yamaha Breeze had carb issues,my 90cc Scrambler with electric choke refused to start in the cold winter months,my 160 LT Suzuki had shifting issues.I could go on/on,but I think you get the point.
Last year,I decided to ''jump ship'' and go to the other import no name ATVs.I bought a new 110cc Monster Joe for 1200 bucks.This quad is a 3 speed Auto clutch,with reverse,BRIGHT headlights/tailights,brake lights,electric start,shaft drive,grease fittings,ect ect ect.It resembels a 80cc Raptor and is a big hit with the kids.NO PROBLEMS at ANY time with this quad.
About 3 months ago,I purchased 2 new Hornet 90cc ATVs from Cobra.They are electric start,2-stroke WITH a manual choke instead of electric,FULLY automatic,rear disk brake,head lights ect.I've had NO issues with either of them.They were shipped to my house for 2200 bucks TOTAL[Both quads].
A 80cc Raptor from Yamaha would have cost me 2400 bucks or MORE out the door.Im not willing to pay 1200 bucks more to pay a salesmans commision,or a parts manager to stock brand name parts that he ''MIGHT'' have in stock if I needed them,just to say I bought a brand name ATV that,IMO,is NO better quality than the no name ATVs I purchased.
My Cobra Hornets have been flawless.And with todays High Speed technology,it dont take long to get parts anyways.
Granted,
I AGREE that there are some BAD BAD no name companies out there,but,DO YOUR HOMEWORK first and you should be OK!
Nov 9, 2004 | 08:59 AM
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Hi Everyone.. New guy Here - Buying a Yamoto...?
Muddy.. exactly my point... You looked at what was available, and made the choice... You weighed the potential issues and decided on cost... which is perfectly acceptable.. But you did so with your eyes wide open... and with some experience.
The problem is for the newbie.. who may not have all the experience in their back pocket, comes along, and gets burned, or frustrated with the little things that always crop up... Those are the people that need the data so they can make an educated decision. After all, we are not advocating a certain brand, make etc... all we are saying is that they need to be aware that the cost argument, does come with strings attatched.
Personally, I ride major brands because when I am 1500 miles from home, on the vacation of a life time, and something breaks, I know I can find one of the majar brand's within 50 miles. And that I can get most commonly broken parts fairly quickly. It just may save the day.... I can't say the same about the machines being sold at PEP Boys, or the local pawn shop down the street.
I am fairly mechanically inclined... but I'll be the first to tell you that I am not interested in turning wrenches much past a screw here or there on the carb etc. I leave the big stuff to the pros. I doubt that PEP boys has a member on staff.
All that costs $ in the long run, and is why the major brands cost more. You have R&D programs going on too. Add in advertizement and you can see why they cost more. Some of these smaller companies idea of R&D is to look at the major brands, and ask how can we copy this design, and make it cheaper? HUH? I can only figure that if the machine is 50% less, the only way to make it that cheap is to use cheaper labor, or inferior materials... something I am not willing to gamble on...
Granted, you will probably get good service from the cheaper brand... well at least I hope so... for a while any way..
The problem is for the newbie.. who may not have all the experience in their back pocket, comes along, and gets burned, or frustrated with the little things that always crop up... Those are the people that need the data so they can make an educated decision. After all, we are not advocating a certain brand, make etc... all we are saying is that they need to be aware that the cost argument, does come with strings attatched.
Personally, I ride major brands because when I am 1500 miles from home, on the vacation of a life time, and something breaks, I know I can find one of the majar brand's within 50 miles. And that I can get most commonly broken parts fairly quickly. It just may save the day.... I can't say the same about the machines being sold at PEP Boys, or the local pawn shop down the street.
I am fairly mechanically inclined... but I'll be the first to tell you that I am not interested in turning wrenches much past a screw here or there on the carb etc. I leave the big stuff to the pros. I doubt that PEP boys has a member on staff.
All that costs $ in the long run, and is why the major brands cost more. You have R&D programs going on too. Add in advertizement and you can see why they cost more. Some of these smaller companies idea of R&D is to look at the major brands, and ask how can we copy this design, and make it cheaper? HUH? I can only figure that if the machine is 50% less, the only way to make it that cheap is to use cheaper labor, or inferior materials... something I am not willing to gamble on...
Granted, you will probably get good service from the cheaper brand... well at least I hope so... for a while any way..
Nov 9, 2004 | 10:33 AM
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Hi Everyone.. New guy Here - Buying a Yamoto...?
Originally posted by: ToddRappy660
I'm going to try and find some LT160 shocks. How long did it take you to retro the CR 80 shocks onto the Yamoto? A few days?
I'm going to try and find some LT160 shocks. How long did it take you to retro the CR 80 shocks onto the Yamoto? A few days?
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