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Old May 21, 2012 | 09:57 PM
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1.12 volts
2.122 ohms
3. 0 ohms
4. fine
5. 0
 
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Old May 21, 2012 | 09:58 PM
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1.12 volts
2.122 ohms
3. 0 ohms
4. fine
5. 0
 
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Old May 22, 2012 | 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by len16
1.12 volts
2.122 ohms
3. 0 ohms
4. fine
5. 0
#3 is wrong. But I have to make sure that you were on the lowest ohms scale. What scale did you have you meter set to? If your not sure then repeat the test with the meter set to the lowest scale. Report both the scale setting and measured value. Make sure you do this more than once, and that you get the same reading every time.

#4 is not what I asked for. I asked for voltages. Let me decide whether it is fine or not. Often people who are using meters for the first time make measurement blunders that lead them astray. As much as possible I try to ask questions where the answers overlap and give credibility to each other. I can use one answer to test the validity of the next. For example, if someone said they had 0.27 volts AC for the trigger voltage, and then also measured 0.02 ohms for the trigger winding resistance then I know they screwed up taking the measurements - because that is simply not possible for both to be true. Without detail in the reporting, and cross checks in place, I have no way to tell if the thing your measuring is wrong, or your measurements are wrong.

And please give more detail in all your readings. "12 volts" is vague. I'm sure your meter has more resolution than that. 12.57 volts on the 20 volts DC scale is more like what I'm looking for. I want as much info as possible...
 
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Old May 23, 2012 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by LynnEdwards
#3 is wrong. But I have to make sure that you were on the lowest ohms scale. What scale did you have you meter set to? If your not sure then repeat the test with the meter set to the lowest scale. Report both the scale setting and measured value. Make sure you do this more than once, and that you get the same reading every time.

#4 is not what I asked for. I asked for voltages. Let me decide whether it is fine or not. Often people who are using meters for the first time make measurement blunders that lead them astray. As much as possible I try to ask questions where the answers overlap and give credibility to each other. I can use one answer to test the validity of the next. For example, if someone said they had 0.27 volts AC for the trigger voltage, and then also measured 0.02 ohms for the trigger winding resistance then I know they screwed up taking the measurements - because that is simply not possible for both to be true. Without detail in the reporting, and cross checks in place, I have no way to tell if the thing your measuring is wrong, or your measurements are wrong.

And please give more detail in all your readings. "12 volts" is vague. I'm sure your meter has more resolution than that. 12.57 volts on the 20 volts DC scale is more like what I'm looking for. I want as much info as possible...



well 1. is 12.62 volts scale (20 DC)
2. 121ohms scale= 2000ohms
3. 00.6 scale= 200 ohms
4.00.0 scale 200 volts AC
5. 00.0 scale 200 volts ac
 
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Old May 30, 2012 | 03:26 PM
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well 1. is 12.62 volts scale (20 DC)
2. 121ohms scale= 2000ohms
3. 00.6 scale= 200 ohms
4.00.0 scale 200 volts AC
5. 00.0 scale 200 volts ac
 
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Old May 30, 2012 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by len16
well 1. is 12.62 volts scale (20 DC)
2. 121ohms scale= 2000ohms
3. 00.6 scale= 200 ohms
4.00.0 scale 200 volts AC
5. 00.0 scale 200 volts ac
Sorry for dropping the ball on this one . And thanks for the reminder .

One through three look OK.

Four and five are not OK.

On #4, this indicates you aren't getting a trigger signal, or your meter reads 00.0 volts even when the true reading is 0.2 volts. You're up against the limits of the meter. Is there any way you can borrow another meter with a lower AC scale? Right now it is pointing at the stator trigger coil as being the culprit, or perhaps a meter with a slight offset in the display reading. Stators are a fair amount of work to change, so if it is easy to get another meter for verification then that path may be worth considering.

On #5, this is the expected output from a CDI that isn't being triggered. So as long as we don't have a trigger voltage we cannot expect any output from the CDI.

On the stator trigger coil, here are some possibilities that will produce reduced or no output voltage even though the resistance of the trigger winding is OK:

A) A shorted turn (or few turns) in the trigger coil winding.

B) The trigger coil is too far away from the outside of the flywheel (the raised bump on the flywheel should pass by the trigger at about 0.025" spacing).

C) The trigger coil has collided with the flywheel, and the internal magnet or surrounding magnetic core has been damaged.

D) The trigger coil embedded magnet (inside the coil itself) has picked up steel chips, rust, or other magnetic debris that has clogged the face of the trigger coil and shunted the internal magnet's 'probing field' such that it is no longer influenced by the passing raised steel bump on the flywheel.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2012 | 12:39 PM
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in the flywheel there is a stor with a pin coming but it looks like its been grinded down and we cleaned ithe magnets in the flywheel and also we got 4.0 mVolts ac
 
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Old Jun 2, 2012 | 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by len16
in the flywheel there is a stor with a pin coming but it looks like its been grinded down and we cleaned ithe magnets in the flywheel and also we got 4.0 mVolts ac
I'm not understanding this at all.

What is a "stor"?

What does a "stor" with a pin "coming" mean?

You measured 4 millivolts AC? Where? Is this the trigger signal? If so your previous meter didn't have this resolution. Does this mean you got another meter? Are you sure you are measuring 4 millivolts AC (0.004 volts)? What brand and model meter?

Remember that I'm not there. I can't know what you are doing unless you tell me everything in detail.
 
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Old Jun 4, 2012 | 02:37 PM
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4. 004.0 milli volts ac
in the stator there is a black box with a pin coming out but it looks grind-ed so much where it might not hit the fly wheel to make spark.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2012 | 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by len16
4. 004.0 milli volts ac
in the stator there is a black box with a pin coming out but it looks grind-ed so much where it might not hit the fly wheel to make spark.
Is this "black box" mounted outside the flywheel? If so this is your trigger pickup coil. This coil picks up the presence of a raised bump on the flywheel as it screams by the pickup coil when the engine is turning(*WITHOUT TOUCHING THE PICK UP COIL*). This is what triggers your CDI to make a spark.

If I'm understanding you correctly you say this pickup coil is "grinded"?

If the pickup coil hits the flywheel at all then it is destroyed. You'll need to replace the stator.
 
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