Challenge to the Environmental lobby
Aug 16, 2005 | 10:37 AM
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Challenge to the Environmental lobby
Originally posted by: blackballed
LOL!!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
You know, I've spent so much time over the past few years simply fighting for the public's right to be <STRONG>heard</STRONG> (first with our atv representative to the board and then with our dirtbike chairman)...that the actual issues which today <EM>still</EM> separate us...have been given short rift! (which is a <u>great</u> strategy to impliment if you've got someone poking around or asking questions which may affect your "non-profit" club's cash inflow [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]).
We've had two major atv club leaders here in Michigan over the past few years. One was thrown off the board for obvious reasons and has just recently suffered his <EM>second</EM> major member exodus....the other was his "protege" who resigned his club's leadership position to join a multi-user group council that is harder to break into than the mafioso! (I mean these guys would have to <EM>kill</EM> you if they ever revealed what they do in a group that <STRONG>our own DNR</STRONG> ....<u>has never even <EM>heard</EM> of</u>!).
<EM>Great</EM> bunch of 'stand-up' guys! (lol) [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: mywifesquad
"...Shouldnt you 2 be attacking the dirt bike riders from mich?..."
"...Shouldnt you 2 be attacking the dirt bike riders from mich?..."
You know, I've spent so much time over the past few years simply fighting for the public's right to be <STRONG>heard</STRONG> (first with our atv representative to the board and then with our dirtbike chairman)...that the actual issues which today <EM>still</EM> separate us...have been given short rift! (which is a <u>great</u> strategy to impliment if you've got someone poking around or asking questions which may affect your "non-profit" club's cash inflow [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]).
We've had two major atv club leaders here in Michigan over the past few years. One was thrown off the board for obvious reasons and has just recently suffered his <EM>second</EM> major member exodus....the other was his "protege" who resigned his club's leadership position to join a multi-user group council that is harder to break into than the mafioso! (I mean these guys would have to <EM>kill</EM> you if they ever revealed what they do in a group that <STRONG>our own DNR</STRONG> ....<u>has never even <EM>heard</EM> of</u>!).
<EM>Great</EM> bunch of 'stand-up' guys! (lol) [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
I was just trying to lighten the mood in here a little. Re-focusing if you will. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Aug 16, 2005 | 12:57 PM
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DB,
BB is so full of BS that you can smell the stinch coming from the PC in his posts.BB NEVER uncovered ANYTHING.And I never diverted my conversation away from anything as to WHY the ASI was not going to be accepted in Michigan,I simply called BBs accusations about this Michigan/ASI stuff an all out LIE and presented the ACTUAL TRUE story of what went on.At NO TIME was my side of the story diverted.He has no real answer,so the diverson story is all he can come up with.
John,
you are calling us Instructors shysters and that offends me..Under Michigan LAW,Private enterprizes have all the right in the world to cover ALL COSTS associated with administering a safety class,right down to the lead in the pencil you use in your class.A Non-profit cant even get ONE PENNY of grant funding that YOU pay out of your 16.25 cent sticker fee[ONE buck comes out of this 16.25 cent fee for safety education that we CANT even TOUCH],so I have NO IDEA WTF your sitting here crying about?
What happens here is that BB only looks at the fee the instructor charges the parents kids to take the class,WITHOUT looking at the other addition COSTS associated with making that class happen.There is fuel FOR THE ATVs,ATV maintenance,bussiness insurance,office space fee,field maintenance [the TRAINING track dont GRADE ITSELF],snowplowing fee's,Offices supplies,office phone,postage,training expenses,secreterial fee's,ect ect ect,??
Do you know what your boss would tell me if I had the nerve to call him and tell him that he's ripping off his customers with his charges?The samething im going to tell you,
Its the cost of doing BUSSINESS,something YOU know NOTHING about!
BB is so full of BS that you can smell the stinch coming from the PC in his posts.BB NEVER uncovered ANYTHING.And I never diverted my conversation away from anything as to WHY the ASI was not going to be accepted in Michigan,I simply called BBs accusations about this Michigan/ASI stuff an all out LIE and presented the ACTUAL TRUE story of what went on.At NO TIME was my side of the story diverted.He has no real answer,so the diverson story is all he can come up with.
John,
you are calling us Instructors shysters and that offends me..Under Michigan LAW,Private enterprizes have all the right in the world to cover ALL COSTS associated with administering a safety class,right down to the lead in the pencil you use in your class.A Non-profit cant even get ONE PENNY of grant funding that YOU pay out of your 16.25 cent sticker fee[ONE buck comes out of this 16.25 cent fee for safety education that we CANT even TOUCH],so I have NO IDEA WTF your sitting here crying about?
What happens here is that BB only looks at the fee the instructor charges the parents kids to take the class,WITHOUT looking at the other addition COSTS associated with making that class happen.There is fuel FOR THE ATVs,ATV maintenance,bussiness insurance,office space fee,field maintenance [the TRAINING track dont GRADE ITSELF],snowplowing fee's,Offices supplies,office phone,postage,training expenses,secreterial fee's,ect ect ect,??
Do you know what your boss would tell me if I had the nerve to call him and tell him that he's ripping off his customers with his charges?The samething im going to tell you,
Its the cost of doing BUSSINESS,something YOU know NOTHING about!
Aug 16, 2005 | 01:51 PM
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OK boys, I am having the thread locked.... it has gone far to long... thanks for your constructive comments.
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