Joe Wilson
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09-16-2009, 01:46 PM
I simply disagree that calling somebody a liar in public is on par with general boos and grumbling. It just doesn't have the same directness and cutting. I would be equally disturbed if a Dem said that to GW. There are certain things you don't yell directly at the President. Talk about the short bus.
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09-16-2009, 01:51 PM
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When I started this thread I had no thought about race.........only the statement. I was not even sure Wilson was not other than white. As far as Dem's and R's yow yowing at each other I do think we need to accept the fact that except for very few of the folks in that room it actually could have been any one there making the comment to any other one in the room.........and it would have been just as true..........A more accurate comment would probably have been.....You have the incorrect information.......or something along that line. A thousand pages of word games.........a thousand pages of ambiguity.......there probably is no truth in any of it but it seems to me they tell the same stories so often they get to believing them themselves.........Have truths and smoke are the way of the politician in our modern era. There are a couple state flags that have the coiled snake and the motto "Don't Tread on Me". In WWII my uncles unit had the same on a patch they wore. I gave the patch to my people in SE Asia and the 12 of us carried it during our travels through some interesting places. Somehow it says a lot to me........Joe might have been totally out of place, his manners may be terrible, shame on him but remember the fable about the king, the magic cloth and the child..........The king is naked.............Watch the D's and R's in session sometime........They need to be exposed to the patch........Don't tread on me......we need to get back to reality. Its not about D or R, its about you and me..............Tass
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09-17-2009, 09:16 AM
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Immigration Distrust on Health Bill
by Ernest Istook
Nothing illustrates America's distrust of Congress quite like the illegal immigrant provision of the House health care bill, HR 3200.
President Obama made it the first item in his last radio address:
"I want to spend a few minutes debunking some of the more outrageous myths circulating on the Internet, on cable TV, and repeated at some town halls across this country.
"Let's start with the false claim that illegal immigrants will get health insurance under reform. That's not true. Illegal immigrants would not be covered."
Obama chose his words with great care. Section 246 of the bill -- dealing solely with insurance subsidies -- states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."
Defenders of the bill frequently quote and display copies of this section at their town hall meetings.
Notice how narrow this is? It says they should not receive the bill's new insurance subsidies. It doesn't say they can't receive taxpayer-paid health care. It doesn't say they can't receive other benefits from HR 3200, such as the expanded Medicaid.
President Obama made it the first item in his last radio address:
"I want to spend a few minutes debunking some of the more outrageous myths circulating on the Internet, on cable TV, and repeated at some town halls across this country.
"Let's start with the false claim that illegal immigrants will get health insurance under reform. That's not true. Illegal immigrants would not be covered."
Obama chose his words with great care. Section 246 of the bill -- dealing solely with insurance subsidies -- states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."
Defenders of the bill frequently quote and display copies of this section at their town hall meetings.
Notice how narrow this is? It says they should not receive the bill's new insurance subsidies. It doesn't say they can't receive taxpayer-paid health care. It doesn't say they can't receive other benefits from HR 3200, such as the expanded Medicaid.
Obama obviously wants to leave the impression that government won't pay health care for illegals. It's a false impression. Here are the two big fallacies with Obama's carefully-chosen and scripted words:
- There are other avenues for illegal aliens to receive health care at public expense.
- All efforts to add enforcement language to HR3200 were defeated by mostly party-line votes. We can expect that the bureaucracy would look the other way under Obama's control (just as it has with prior presidents).
The House bill not only makes a major expansion of Medicaid eligibility but also restricts (in Section 1702) inquiries about immigration status. Efforts to fix this and to add enforcement provisions to HR 3200 were offered in the Ways & Means Committee by Rep. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) and in the Energy & Commerce Committee by Rep. Nathan Deal (R-Ga.), but voted down. No Democrats supported Heller. Blue Dog Representatives Mike Ross (D-Ark.), Jim Matheson (D-Utah), Charles Melancon (D-La.), John Barrow (D-Ga.), and Baron Hill (D-Ind.) voted for the Deal proposal.
So we still have the problem as described by Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) in his op-ed for The Hill:
H.R. 3200 contains gaping loopholes that will allow illegal immigrants to receive taxpayer-funded benefits. And these loopholes are no accident. The legislation contains no verification mechanism to ensure that illegal immigrants do not apply for benefits. Republicans offered an amendment to close this loophole -- it would have required verification using the existing methods that are already in place to verify eligibility for other federal benefits programs. But, when they were asked to put the language of the bill where their words were, in a party-line vote, House Democrats rejected the amendment to require verification and close this loophole.
So we still have the problem as described by Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) in his op-ed for The Hill:
H.R. 3200 contains gaping loopholes that will allow illegal immigrants to receive taxpayer-funded benefits. And these loopholes are no accident. The legislation contains no verification mechanism to ensure that illegal immigrants do not apply for benefits. Republicans offered an amendment to close this loophole -- it would have required verification using the existing methods that are already in place to verify eligibility for other federal benefits programs. But, when they were asked to put the language of the bill where their words were, in a party-line vote, House Democrats rejected the amendment to require verification and close this loophole.
Our media, unfortunately, don't seem to understand. They persist in an Obama-friendly minimal analysis, saying simplistically that the bill excludes coverage for illegal aliens. For example:
- A recent Associated Press story devoted to "myth vs. fact" states simply, "THE FACTS: The proposals being negotiated do not provide coverage for illegal immigrants."
- The website Factcheck.org claims it is "false" that "illegal immigrants will be covered."
- Consumer Reports calls it "the myth that will not die."
But history shows our social welfare bureaucracy is quite adept at finding loopholes to help illegal aliens. One example is food stamps.
Federal regulations [7 CFR 273.4 (b)] explicitly require that immigration authorities must be notified if they learn that an illegal alien is within a household applying for Food Stamps.
However, a "Catch 22" was created by the Clinton administration. In an "Interagency Notice (65 Fed. Reg. 58301, Sept. 28, 2000), bureaucrats were told that unless a person has already had a hearing and been formally determined to be an illegal immigrant, no government agency really "knows" that they are illegal -- so they need not be turned in.
It's just another example of how laws are bypassed when it comes to illegal immigration.
Only if you believe that our immigration laws are well-enforced can you believe that HR 3200 will not expand public benefits for illegal aliens. And if you believe that, I've got a certain bridge you might want to buy.
Ernest Istook is recovering from serving 14 years in Congress and is now a distinguished fellow at The Heritage Foundation.
Federal regulations [7 CFR 273.4 (b)] explicitly require that immigration authorities must be notified if they learn that an illegal alien is within a household applying for Food Stamps.
However, a "Catch 22" was created by the Clinton administration. In an "Interagency Notice (65 Fed. Reg. 58301, Sept. 28, 2000), bureaucrats were told that unless a person has already had a hearing and been formally determined to be an illegal immigrant, no government agency really "knows" that they are illegal -- so they need not be turned in.
It's just another example of how laws are bypassed when it comes to illegal immigration.
Only if you believe that our immigration laws are well-enforced can you believe that HR 3200 will not expand public benefits for illegal aliens. And if you believe that, I've got a certain bridge you might want to buy.
Ernest Istook is recovering from serving 14 years in Congress and is now a distinguished fellow at The Heritage Foundation.
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Rep. Wilson is / was an officer in the military, which is the least racist organization in the United States IMO and two or three of his children serve in the military also. You don't become a respected officer in the military if you are racist in any way. They don't tolerate it at all!
Jimmy Carter needs to keep his pie hole shut as his peanut brain isn't capable of seeing this as a simple disagreement about the POLICIES and TRUTHFULNESS of Pres. Obama. All he is doing is stirring up racial tension over a statement that was TRUE!
No required proof of legal citizenship, is leaving the door wide open for illegal aliens to receive unlimited health care anytime, anywhere they choose and was not in the bill the president was pushing! I'm sure that Pres. Obama knew that too! So as a matter of FACT, HE LIED!
Obama play's with words frequently and seems surprised when he gets caught doing so!
Jimmy Carter needs to keep his pie hole shut as his peanut brain isn't capable of seeing this as a simple disagreement about the POLICIES and TRUTHFULNESS of Pres. Obama. All he is doing is stirring up racial tension over a statement that was TRUE!
No required proof of legal citizenship, is leaving the door wide open for illegal aliens to receive unlimited health care anytime, anywhere they choose and was not in the bill the president was pushing! I'm sure that Pres. Obama knew that too! So as a matter of FACT, HE LIED!
Obama play's with words frequently and seems surprised when he gets caught doing so!
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09-17-2009, 03:03 PM
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Another Obama lie!
WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama, seeking to make a case for health-insurance regulation, told a poignant story to a joint session of Congress last week. An Illinois man getting chemotherapy was dropped from his insurance plan when his insurer discovered an unreported gallstone the patient hadn't known about.
"They delayed his treatment, and he died because of it," the president said in the nationally televised address.
In fact, the man, Otto S. Raddatz, didn't die because the insurance company rescinded his coverage once he became ill, an act known as recission. The efforts of his sister and the office of Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan got Raddatz's policy reinstated within three weeks of his April 2005 rescission and secured a life-extending stem-cell transplant for him. Raddatz died this year, nearly four years after the insurance showdown.
Obama aides say the president got the essence of the story correct. Raddatz was dropped from his insurance plan weeks before a scheduled stem-cell transplant.
In a letter, Babs Waldman, medical director of the Illinois attorney general's office, excoriated the insurer, Fortis Health, which is now Assurant Health. Raddatz "suddenly faces not only life-threatening illness but now the inability to afford the only treatment that may help him," Dr. Waldman wrote to the insurer May 3, 2005.
Peter Duckler, a spokesman for Assurant Health, said the company "can never comment on an insured's coverage due to confidentiality issues."
The patient's sister, Peggy M. Raddatz, testified before the House Energy and Commerce oversight subcommittee June 16 that her brother ultimately received treatment that "extended his life approximately three years." Nowhere in the hearing did she say her brother died because of the delay. Ms. Raddatz didn't return calls seeking comment.
WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama, seeking to make a case for health-insurance regulation, told a poignant story to a joint session of Congress last week. An Illinois man getting chemotherapy was dropped from his insurance plan when his insurer discovered an unreported gallstone the patient hadn't known about.
"They delayed his treatment, and he died because of it," the president said in the nationally televised address.
In fact, the man, Otto S. Raddatz, didn't die because the insurance company rescinded his coverage once he became ill, an act known as recission. The efforts of his sister and the office of Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan got Raddatz's policy reinstated within three weeks of his April 2005 rescission and secured a life-extending stem-cell transplant for him. Raddatz died this year, nearly four years after the insurance showdown.
Obama aides say the president got the essence of the story correct. Raddatz was dropped from his insurance plan weeks before a scheduled stem-cell transplant.
In a letter, Babs Waldman, medical director of the Illinois attorney general's office, excoriated the insurer, Fortis Health, which is now Assurant Health. Raddatz "suddenly faces not only life-threatening illness but now the inability to afford the only treatment that may help him," Dr. Waldman wrote to the insurer May 3, 2005.
Peter Duckler, a spokesman for Assurant Health, said the company "can never comment on an insured's coverage due to confidentiality issues."
The patient's sister, Peggy M. Raddatz, testified before the House Energy and Commerce oversight subcommittee June 16 that her brother ultimately received treatment that "extended his life approximately three years." Nowhere in the hearing did she say her brother died because of the delay. Ms. Raddatz didn't return calls seeking comment.
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09-17-2009, 08:32 PM
Clearly you're too inept to see that it's not about who's President; it's about disrespect for the office, which big-thinkers like yourself claim to have such great respect for when your party is in office. I used Bush as an example because he was our last President. Regardless, there were some things I liked about Bush, and it would have pissed me off if some $hithead called him a liar while addressing the nation, but you simply can't understand that concept. I could care less if you or anybody else believes it or not.
Do you give a rat's *** about my comments above,.....No. Do I give a rat's *** about you and your comments DeeDawg,....No. Good, we can agree on something.
Do you give a rat's *** about my comments above,.....No. Do I give a rat's *** about you and your comments DeeDawg,....No. Good, we can agree on something.