I guess if you consider yourself to be on the level of an animal its natural. Whether you believe in God or not sodomy is perversion. A woman has a warm wet orifice between her legs that normally you don't need KY Jelly to use. And your member doesn't come out with ******** on it. Aids was initially spread through Sodomy, some say in Haiti a human having sex with a animal.
******** Thomas Jefferson, just another crook in Office.

 

So now the founding fathers were "Crooks in office"? That's something I didn't think I'd hear, and honestly I don't care. Fact of the matter is, we weren't founded on religion. Your opinion of that can be anything, but it doesn't matter because it is fact.

I'm not willing to cast judgement on what people do in their bedroom, that isn't my place. So no, "Sodomy" is not perversion. It's a thing that some people do, that I don't have an issue with them doing.

What do you consider to be "Natural"? The argument was raised that since genitals exist in such a way as one fits comfortably into another, it is natural that they should be used that way. However, animals, which have very similar genitals, and are not sentient and therefore cannot make a conscious decision to go against "nature", still have homosexual relations. I guess that makes it natural.

 

Read what the Founding Fathers said about the role of religion in their decision making processes as far as the Constitution goes. Religion is intertwined with their reasoning processes. Massachusetts was colonized by people seeking religious freedom from the state run churches in England. The Declaration of Independence speaks of our rights being "endowed by our Creator." "Nature's God", which for them was the God of Christianity according to their own writings.

Bill of Rights opens with Amendment One this way: Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ...

There are literally hundreds of quotes by the Founding Fathers about the role of God and religion being necessary for the country to flourish.

Alexander Hamilton

To grant that there is a supreme intelligence who rules the world and has established laws to regulate the actions of his creatures; and still to assert that man, in a state of nature, may be considered as perfectly free from all restraints of law and government, appears to a common understanding altogether irreconcilable. Good and wise men, in all ages, have embraced a very dissimilar theory. They have supposed that the deity, from the relations we stand in to himself and to each other, has constituted an eternal and immutable law, which is indispensably obligatory upon all mankind, prior to any human institution whatever. This is what is called the law of nature....Upon this law depend the natural rights of mankind.

Thomas Jefferson
Notes on the State of Virginia, Query 18 — 1781

And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever.

James Madison
A Memorial and Remonstrance — 1785

It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage, and such only, as he believes to be acceptable to him. This duty is precedent both in order of time and degree of obligation, to the claims of Civil Society. Before any man can be considered as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe.

Virginia Bill of Rights, Article 16 — 1776

[R]eligion, or the duty which we owe to our creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and this is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity towards each other.

Massachusetts Bill of Rights, Part the First — 1780

It is the right as well as the duty of all men in society, publicly and at stated seasons, to worship the Supreme Being, the great Creator and Preserver of the universe. And no subject shall be hurt, molested, or restrained in his person, liberty, or estate, for worshipping God in the manner and season most agreeable to the dictates of his own conscience; or for his religion profession of sentiments; provided he doth not disturb the public peace, or obstruct others in their religious worship....

This is just a handful of the volumes of writings that linked society, God, and this nation.

 

hey lolumad didnt you have a thread on here how you hate america?

 

In the 1796 treaty with Tripoli, it was stated thatthe United States was "not in any sense founded on the Christian religion". They did not, however, deny there was a God. They did not profess worship of the Christian God.

I did not begin a thread about how I "hate America".

 

You are full of crap. Just once try to investigate your claims before posting them and looking like a fool.

 

I may have misspoke. I have been a fool.

 

lolumud you can always go somewhere else son.

 

I'm a bit outwitted and ignorant (by definition) when it comes to these discussions (more of a science guy) ...

But i do believe one must place their hand on a bible and swear before god to speak the truth in a court of law- local or state.

So saying the states were founded without religion is kind of a losing point if the point I made above is taken into consideration.


I will say this, Lolumad273...
I know a handful of guys in this thread are about as knowledgeable as you can be in regards to this topic- so you're going to really want to do your homework before
making an off-the-cuff statement.

 

STOP FLAMING BOY