Without the freedom of his beliefs, all of ours would possibly be at stake too.

 

ohh- then disregard my last statement



on another note:
I have to honestly say-

This kind of subject is a very touchy one, and people easily become emotionally invested in these discussions / debates and all too often turn to bitter ad-hominim attacks on those who don't share the same views or beliefs as they do.

even if you don't agree with lolumad, you have to admit from what I have read, (unless a mod has removed such comments) he has yet been disrespectful or personally attacked anyone in this thread and seems capable of having a debate / discussion in an intelligent manner on conflicting view points without slinging the typical personal insults like most other guys his age would've resorted to long ago. Hell, you can't even disagree with some of these guys in other threads about how much an atv weighs without being called a #@!*&%!

Even if you don't agree with him, there's no reason to insinuate he's worth any less than any other human in here. You can't enter a debate expecting to change someone's mind or point of view- You don't have to agree with each other's point of view or interpretation, but you do have to respect that everyone is different than you and may have a different ideology.

I'm learning a lot in this thread and enjoy reading the debate between opposite points of views.
I'm a proud American, and I'm in love with my country (for the most part ) and I'd take a bullet to ensure my (our) freedoms stay the way our fathers believed they should be

 

[QUOTE=Scootergptx;3133724]Without the freedom of his beliefs, all of ours would possibly be at stake too. [/QUOTE

Our beliefs are not at stake and never will be, nobody can make you or I believe anything other than what we wish to believe. But for someone to dispute the Founding of Our Country is a slap in the face to the men and woman who fight for Our Rights.

 

A much larger slap in the face to the men and women who fight for our rights would be to strip a person of their rights, because they disagree with you. I believe this country was founded on religious freedoms. I have no religion, that is a freedom I exercise. I wouldn't take away your freedoms, I would only hope you agree to allow me my own, and allow the homosexual community their own.

The only thing I'm disputing is what is easily disputed. It has been in writing that the church and state should be separate entities, and that we have freedom of religion. There is certainly no state religion officially set up in the constitution. In fact, the opposite is true. We have been given the right, by that document, to allow us any religion we want.

To say we are a "Christian" nation, is to marginalize every other religion present in this country.

 

Like the right to free speech?

 

Sorry but beliefs and speech are two different things, you know that. Rite?

 

While getting back to the original topic, is it possible to make or deny a person something that wasn't mentioned in the constitution as unconstitutional?

 

Keep your beliefs silent and everything will be ok? Yep, the founding fathers and all those that fought for it would be so proud.

 

whatever dude, I served my Country Proud. And I fought with the belief that I was fighting for a Christian Founded Nation, so all of the fools who spew their beliefs could do so.

 

I'm not saying we ARE, as of now, a predominately Christian nation. 80% of the population CALLS themselves Christians but I don't see it in the fruit bearing department. That is, I don't see that many people trying to live as Christians should live. There is over 50% divorce rate in this country. I don't see how that jives with 80% saying they are Christian. But, the founding of our country and the majority of the Founding Fathers were professing Christians.

The "separation of church and state" line is from Jefferson writing to a Baptist minister that was fearful of the federal government adopting Congregational church beliefs as the official religion of the government. Jefferson was simply stating that the government would not pick out one group over another. He was not in any way stating that religion has no purpose in law. Our laws, at least were, founded on Biblical principals.

Getting back to the debate at hand. Homosexual marriage is "adding" a right that was not ever intended in the either state constitutions of the Constitution of the United States. So, if it is outlawed it's not stripping rights away. It's saying this is something that was never granted as a right in the first place.