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Old May 17, 2000 | 12:59 AM
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Folks,

I spotted this on the web while searching for something else. It is basically a hose with a nozzle on the end that allows you to easily pump fuel from your car into your ATV, lawnmower or the like. This eliminates the use of gas cans. I like the idea of not hoisting cans and spilling fuel on my quad. The manufacturer claims the car will pump approx. 1 gallon per minute. The brass fitting on the end of the house connects directly to the existing fitting on the fuel rail of a fuel injected car. On other cars you add a connector to your fuel line with the "T" supplied.

I think it is a great idea. What are your thoughts?

Have a look at: www.e-zgas.com. There is a good picture of the setup.

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Old May 17, 2000 | 02:14 AM
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I dont think I'd want to screw around with the plumbing for the fuel injector on a car. If somthing were to fail, the hot engine is not the place for it. You could also bet on voiding any warranties that may apply to the fuel system/engine on the car. I would be especally weary because of the "quality" of the components. That nozzle is designed for compressed AIR, not liquid - I have a dozen in the shop, and they are about five bucks. You will be sitting there for a long time to gas anything up because the valve is tiny. I have seen pumps that attach to five gallon gas cans, get one of those. This idea is good in theory, but I dont want it under my hood.
 
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Old May 17, 2000 | 02:35 AM
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yeah, i dont like the idea either:
1. slow pump, 1 gal a min is slow!
2. i have had a F-250 burn to the ground due to the tail pipe having a hole and roasting the fuel tank changeover valve, dont want that again
3. if your rig is carburator you will have to crank over the engine to make the manual fuel pump,pump.
I personly use waverunner fuel cans with huge hoses that empty the fuel fast so you dont have to hold 5 gal up in the air for long
 
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Old May 17, 2000 | 04:08 AM
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Emergency Road Service vehicles sponsored by the Virginia State Police have a similar system for dispensing fuel to stranded motorists.

The gas line of the servicing vehicle is tapped by a tee connector and valve; pressure from the cruising vehicle's fuel pump delivers gas through a hose to the stranded vehicle.

The operator uses a watch to time the duration of fuel delivery, dispensing the amount necessary for the distressed motorist to reach a service station.

The system works pretty slick--minimum fuss and muss, no spillage; no fire or explosion hazard from Jerry cans, minimum exposure of service personnel to traffic hazards.

Whether the effort of obtaining this system for ATV fueling appears worthwhile remains an individual decision (you can always be a Good Samaritan if you have this setup, I suppose).

A competent installation on the donor vehicle shouldn't pose any more hazard than, for example, installation of an electrical fuel pump in series with the stock mechanical pump (once a common practice with hot-rodders).

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Old May 17, 2000 | 05:01 AM
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I put a similar setup on my Yukon back in 93. It was a handy deal. With the 32 gallon tank it was nice to have the extra capacity without haulin all the cans.
Now I have a newer truck and didnt put it back on. Now I have a 25 gallon tank mounted on my trailer with an electric fuel pump inside of it. This works great too and its there no matter who tows the trailer. (But it does remove in minutes.) I have it wired with an adapter to plug into my tail light harness. Just unplug the lights and plug in the pump. So I just hit my keyless remote to turn on the lights that turns on the pump, then I just open the valve and pump the gas. It pumps just over a gallon a minute so filling even a big tank quad takes only 3-5 minutes.
Just my opinion but I hate to tie down a bunch of cans and carry spouts and funnels and stuff.
This has worked well for me and tanks are available in many sizes and shapes ( I found mine in a Marine catalog) so fitting one to most trailers or mounting in a pickup as a reserve tank should be easy.
 
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Old May 17, 2000 | 09:20 AM
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On a fuel injected car the fuel rail has a factory fitting (like a big shrader valve) that is used for bleeding and checking fuel pump pressure. There would be no modifications on this setup. Simply take the dust cover off the fitting and screw on the hose. Start the vehicle and pump away.

On a vehicle with no fuel rail the T would have to be installed. The T has the shrader type valve in it. Once the T is installed (a competent installation as TreeFarmer states) the modifications are done. Connect the hose, start the vehicle, and pump away.

Connected to a shrader type valve as this is, the system should be quite safe. There is the assumption here that the person using it is somewhat competent and careful when handling fuel. I have seen so many people with leaking gas cans in trunks, the back seat of cars, and the beds of pickup trucks. Given the choices, this type delivery system is looking quite safe.

I agree the 1 gallon per minute is no fueling station pump in terms of volume but that's OK. My toys don't hold that much fuel and I would rather do it this way that slug cans around. The vehicle is always there so the fuel source is always there (unlike the gas cans that are often there but empty!).

I agree the dispensing nozzle looks pretty much exactly like my air guns in the shop. This may or may not be the ideal setup but I believe the concept is excellent.

TreeFarmer, very interesting that the highway patrol uses a similar setup. I wonder who the manufacturer is?

Trailboss450, do you remember who the manufacturer was of the setup you had on the Yukon?

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Old May 17, 2000 | 05:42 PM
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I made mine up myself. I found the fittings I needed to do it at the the local auto parts store. I made the connection at the fuel filter so I didnt need to cut any of the stock lines and the fuel I used was already filtered. It was not as convienient to use as the setup you are talking about but it worked and cost me under 10 bucks. I think I will make up one of these that you describe this weekend. It should be plenty safe as these are the same valves I have to use to perform fuel pressure and other tests on vehicles at my job.
 
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Old May 18, 2000 | 10:41 AM
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Greetings,

As a low tech alternative, you might look into a Jack Rabbit Pump -- a sort of new-age siphon. It has a hand-held crank, kind of pistol shaped, with a hose for uptake and one for discharge. You put the uptake hose in your truck's gas tank and the other in a gas can or your ATV and turn the handle. Once it starts flowing you stop turning and can stop it with a short reverse turn. The problem is that the anti-theft devices in many newer vehicle prevent you from using it. It worked in my '85 F150 and '94 T-Bird, but not in my Durango. But it was great to be able to haul all the gas I wanted in my tank rather than in cans.
 
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