hounddog: Thnx for explaining!

Altho I agree with some of ur points, I disagree w/ ur overall view on how religion (particularly the Christian faith) plays a part in capital punishment.

IMHO, I think it all boils down to ONE thing and that is the partisan game this country has been playing for how long now? Its all about, what side are you on, Democrat or Republican?

I dont really consider myself a diehard supporter of any party, HOWEVER, I do find myself leaning towards the Republican party more than any other. Why?
Well, even tho 'some' Democrats are qualified to be in their respective positions their overall party/beliefs just dont make any sense to me. Ill explain, in one hand they preach capital punishment is wrong that no person shld be sentenced to death regardless of their crime but yet they strongly feel that its completely ok to murder an unborn child. Can someone explain that logic to me?
Kill a living (unborn) innocent human being but lets save our 'non contributing to society', no value for human life murdering sob's?????? That is CRAZY!!! I cant have any part in that or support any such madness but thats just me! Mind you thats not the only subject that puzzles me about that party. I remember yrs ago, NY Gov. Cuomo refused to allow one of our mid-south states to execute a convicted murderer, a person who not only admitted to being a murderer in that particular state but admitted to killing the ppl in both states. But since the crime in NY occurred first they had first dibs on his JO's immediate future. Gov Cuomo tried to justify his actions saying he feels that death is an easy way out that living ur life in prison is much tougher. WTF is this guy smoking? Its that logic that baffles me, he apparantly has no clue on what it costs the tax payers every yr this JA sits in prison (estimated at over $50,000/prisoner). FYI- the murderer wanted to be put to death not have to sit in a NY prison for a life term (30 yrs) then get extradicted down south to be executed.

If things dont change soon, I really think its just gonna get worse. All you have to do is watch the evening news for an hr to see what Im talking about. Lawyers, civil liberty unions etc......are killing everythng are founding fathers attempted to do with this country. Most of these ppl are all about the money, the publicity and themselves.....ie. today we have more frivalous <sp? lawsuits than ever which effects every one of us through higher prices, rates and/or taxes.

I also think some of the most power hungry ppl become lawyers some even judges....and sometimes that doesnt quite satisfy their thirst so they get involved in politics, my point?.......overall a part of me thinks all politicians are screw ***** to an extent. So the problem here is a JA will always be a JA and they belong to every party out there.

*Oh I almost forgot to mention my point on religion*
If I had to guess on what party the majority of the 'Bible belt' tends to vote on......Id say they'd lean towards saving a baby than a murderer any day. Heck, I dont think a President can get any more spiritual then our current leader and what state did he govern? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

Well, a few points:

Everlast:
First of all, please try to use some punctuation in your posts. I tried very hard to follow what you are saying but I feele as if I have missed out on some vital points to your argument due to run on sentences and lack of divisional punctuation. That said, you quoted the verse from the bible "An eye for an eye, and a Tooth for a Tooth", putting you on the more conservative side of the religious sect. However, you must realize that this also puts you in a minority among your brethren across the country. Most Christians by poll, do not share your views; rather they quote lines such as "Vengence is Mine, sayeth the Lord" claiming that only He should have the power to ultimately judge the life of another. You see, this issue is not one of black and white but a gradual shade of grey between the two.



Polaris
A quick warning, you are trying to bring another favorite martre of Christian politics (abortion) into this matter. Such a switch of platforms invites a completely new conversation even to tie such a matter to the one at hand. That said, I disagree with you on this issue (captial punishment) being a strictly party related matter. Studies show that in house politics often surrender to the views of their respective parties but the same is rarely true when polling the public. It is quite important that we delineate this from being a matter of voting in house or through populous election. The last captal punishment bill which tried to surface in this area was an attempt to collect enough signatures to get on the public ballot. It failed by only a small margin.

Back to the point, the politics of the mass cannot be summed up by a party affiliation (especially when 47% of Americans claim to have no tight party affiliation); instead, we use the terms Liberal and Conservative so that adverbs such as slightly, moderately, extremely, etc... can be used to show the slide of the demographic one way or the other. The liberal side of this issue is to abolish captal punishment. Its movement is headed by several interest groups and pacs who are funded nearly 90% by religious groups (including many large churches). That in itself is quite telling of how the church can play a large role in politics as was the initial subject of this conversation. The Conservative side of this issue is to keep capital punishment. The middle of the road is further modification of laws concerning capital punishment to make changes resulting in a harder process for death penalty convictions.


That's all the time I have at the moment. I am sure I will be talking to you gentlemen soon, and thank you for the oportunity to engage in such a civilized conversation.

~HoundDog

 

I will say this to be quite honest with all of you. The first thing being i don't write on this forum to really form some sort of an arguement for either side or any side for that matter in reguards to a particular side. The only thing i am stating is what i do believe is the outcome of the way society is taken in by how our justice system is ran. I will be honest with you in the fact also that i am not trying to write some sort of term paper to anyone in particular on here i was just trying to get in as much as i could on the subject and not trying to get hired in some sort of job application or to come to any particular conclusion to the fact. I agree with you on some of the matters but what i wonder most is that i don't believe in killing someone just because they killed someone, which can be emotionally tramatic for some people. The main thing i was pointing out to anyone who was reading the comments made by me is just to look around and see how things are and that most things are done in a rush-rush mode and most courts that do these sort of cases just try to get them in and out as soon as they can and don't have a harsher punishment or don't see the full picture of what that particular person has did. This is the simple fact that we are all humans and we should have some RESPECT for one another on some level or plane of existence. If and when we don't care anymore about one another or think that others should just die for the hell of it then we are no more intelligent but ignorant to the fact of living and caring. All of us do have particular opinions about things and i do think a good arguement is how things come to pass and helps us provided we do not dwell on the arguement too long. I hope some of my punctuation in this paragraph maybe clarifies things up for you a little but as said previously i do not write any sort of papers on here nor do i care to unless i have too. I am sorry that you didn't get the point i was making but i hope most of you did understand the Intelligent person/Common Sense person comparison. I hope things change but in my opinion its a very hard combination to find in a person. If most of you think about it common sense would rule out alot of things that most people promote as a better understanding of science type arguement. I wish i could talk to you about what the bible is and how preachers can't do one thing and say another but we, as humans of god, should RESPECT HIM AND OTHERS and that the bible is tool to go by and every situation in life has purpose and a reason to dwell on what has happened and how we should look at each individual thing together. I hope maybe this helps some of you but if not i can't help it i have to ride my yfz450 and race a guy on raptor to have some sort of fun for today so thank you all for reading my IMO and from now on about this topic i will STFU. THANKS FOR READING.